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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728850 is a reply to message #728837 ]
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b_1_b wrote on Thu, 24 January 2019 12:24

I agree with Adam and also this article (for the most part) seems to also agree.

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/edmonton-oiler s/rot-in-the-edmonton-oilers-structure-goes-much-deeper-than -the-gm/wcm/3117d6df-1d7d-44b1-8b5d-d8c75079a58f

About time something like this gets printed.


Awesome! Hope this keeps getting repeated everywhere. Might be the beginning of the end for the Untouchables! We can only hope.

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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728851 is a reply to message #728822 ]
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I thought this was a pretty good assessment of the situation with this team, very much in line with what is being discussed here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmHl-mBcQ84 How can Nicholson have any confidence that this team is a playoff team after firing both the coach and general manager is the gist of it.

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overdue wrote on Thu, 24 January 2019 10:46

I thought this was a pretty good assessment of the situation with this team, very much in line with what is being discussed here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmHl-mBcQ84 How can Nicholson have any confidence that this team is a playoff team after firing both the coach and general manager is the gist of it.

I would counter by saying what's he honestly supposed to say? McDavid last week actually said something to the media, got pissed off and told the media "we believe, if you don't get the hell out." Maybe deep down inside, Nicholson thinks playoffs are a long shot but he can't go up there, carve the players up, tell everyone he's dumping everyone and tell them there is no hope. Maybe deep down he thinks the playoffs are a long shot but at the same time he has McDavid and Leon. The Avs were basically a one line team that rode a hot goalie and a hot line and made the playoffs. While unlikely, could the Oilers do that? They went 9-2 with basically the same thing. Koskinen got hot and McDavid and Leon were carrying the load.

I am not saying it will happen but I don't get why fans are mad because they expected the boss of the team to go up there and tell everyone they are a pile of crap. Then head to the dressing room and after calling most of them crappy and say "Hey guys, we need you to be better." It doesn't work that way.

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but he can't go up there, carve the players up, tell everyone he's dumping everyone and tell them there is no hope.


It's Nicholson's job to show confidence and sell hope and I agree, anyone in that position is going to do the same thing. I don't think badly of him for doing that at all because he has to but at the same time it's a long shot and everyone knows it. The fans need something to keep coming back for. The players do need a kick in the ass the way they come out flat and under preform so often but after awhile you wonder if they even have it in them.( other than a handful of players ) That Av's team was a lot deeper than you might think. ( ie well put together ) They had a good team for a lot of years after being gifted all those high picks much like the Oilers of more recent times. Klefbom getting hurt and the wheels coming off shows how weak and fragile the team is. There is no doubt as to the mismanagement of the Oilers for a long a period of time now, but when you see coach after coach and manger after manager shown the door, it begins to become more and more obvious( like so many on this site have been trying to point out )that the issues really lie elsewhere. And if it doesn't lie with the OBC like some claim then it's time for a real mangement team for a change. Chiarelli lost his job in Boston for a reason. You would think 'they" would learn from some of the mistakes they've made but they never seem to. I hope the team can sneak into the playoffs but only if they keep reactive moves to a minimum. No cup contender here anyway although stranger things have happened I guess.

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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #731320 is a reply to message #728814 ]
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Here's the last post he made here. It was in this very thread, four weeks ago today.

shoop wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 22:05

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 13:02

Ales Cooper wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 02:03

Can’t wait to read Shoops take on this
rofl

Hahaha! Well, he did say the Koski deal broke him, I think(?).


Yes, I did. The Manning deal pushed me right to the edge. Koskinen pushed me over.

Is Ales that pathetic that the only thing he posts is to bait me? What a champ.



I think that the many pointed barbs at him near the end, combined with his crushing disappointment at what a desperate Chiarelli was doing may have driven him away. Poor guy...he really believed that a little positivity would help Panicky Pete find his way...only to learn that he came by that nickname honestly.

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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #731323 is a reply to message #731320 ]
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Adam wrote on Wed, 20 February 2019 18:19

Here's the last post he made here. It was in this very thread, four weeks ago today.

shoop wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 22:05

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 13:02

Ales Cooper wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 02:03

Can’t wait to read Shoops take on this
rofl

Hahaha! Well, he did say the Koski deal broke him, I think(?).


Yes, I did. The Manning deal pushed me right to the edge. Koskinen pushed me over.

Is Ales that pathetic that the only thing he posts is to bait me? What a champ.



I think that the many pointed barbs at him near the end, combined with his crushing disappointment at what a desperate Chiarelli was doing may have driven him away. Poor guy...he really believed that a little positivity would help Panicky Pete find his way...only to learn that he came by that nickname honestly.

Eh, all the best to him. I’m sure we’ll have another caped crusader lurk out from the shadows and (attempt to) make us all feel bad about our views on how poor the OEG runs a hockey franchise. Heck, perhaps it will be him under a new name.

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 20 February 2019 18:08

Adam wrote on Wed, 20 February 2019 18:19

Here's the last post he made here. It was in this very thread, four weeks ago today.

shoop wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 22:05

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 13:02

Ales Cooper wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 02:03

Can’t wait to read Shoops take on this
rofl

Hahaha! Well, he did say the Koski deal broke him, I think(?).


Yes, I did. The Manning deal pushed me right to the edge. Koskinen pushed me over.

Is Ales that pathetic that the only thing he posts is to bait me? What a champ.



I think that the many pointed barbs at him near the end, combined with his crushing disappointment at what a desperate Chiarelli was doing may have driven him away. Poor guy...he really believed that a little positivity would help Panicky Pete find his way...only to learn that he came by that nickname honestly.

Eh, all the best to him. I’m sure we’ll have another caped crusader lurk out from the shadows and (attempt to) make us all feel bad about our views on how poor the OEG runs a hockey franchise. Heck, perhaps it will be him under a new name.


If i had to guess, shoop was Keith Gretzky. Mission accomplished, he cheered Chia on making terrible move after terrible move and ended up with his job. Too busy to post here now :)

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 20 February 2019 18:25

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 20 February 2019 18:08

Adam wrote on Wed, 20 February 2019 18:19

Here's the last post he made here. It was in this very thread, four weeks ago today.

shoop wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 22:05

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 13:02

Ales Cooper wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 02:03

Can’t wait to read Shoops take on this
rofl

Hahaha! Well, he did say the Koski deal broke him, I think(?).


Yes, I did. The Manning deal pushed me right to the edge. Koskinen pushed me over.

Is Ales that pathetic that the only thing he posts is to bait me? What a champ.



I think that the many pointed barbs at him near the end, combined with his crushing disappointment at what a desperate Chiarelli was doing may have driven him away. Poor guy...he really believed that a little positivity would help Panicky Pete find his way...only to learn that he came by that nickname honestly.

Eh, all the best to him. I’m sure we’ll have another caped crusader lurk out from the shadows and (attempt to) make us all feel bad about our views on how poor the OEG runs a hockey franchise. Heck, perhaps it will be him under a new name.


If i had to guess, shoop was Keith Gretzky. Mission accomplished, he cheered Chia on making terrible move after terrible move and ended up with his job. Too busy to post here now :)

I'd bet a dime he was an employee of a PR firm contracted by the Oilers or Chia's agent or someone like that.

Once again, I'd like to offer myself out for hire. Buy my dissent.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 20 February 2019 20:03

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 20 February 2019 18:25

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 20 February 2019 18:08

Adam wrote on Wed, 20 February 2019 18:19

Here's the last post he made here. It was in this very thread, four weeks ago today.

shoop wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 22:05

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 13:02

Ales Cooper wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 02:03

Can’t wait to read Shoops take on this
rofl

Hahaha! Well, he did say the Koski deal broke him, I think(?).


Yes, I did. The Manning deal pushed me right to the edge. Koskinen pushed me over.

Is Ales that pathetic that the only thing he posts is to bait me? What a champ.



I think that the many pointed barbs at him near the end, combined with his crushing disappointment at what a desperate Chiarelli was doing may have driven him away. Poor guy...he really believed that a little positivity would help Panicky Pete find his way...only to learn that he came by that nickname honestly.

Eh, all the best to him. I’m sure we’ll have another caped crusader lurk out from the shadows and (attempt to) make us all feel bad about our views on how poor the OEG runs a hockey franchise. Heck, perhaps it will be him under a new name.


If i had to guess, shoop was Keith Gretzky. Mission accomplished, he cheered Chia on making terrible move after terrible move and ended up with his job. Too busy to post here now :)

I'd bet a dime he was an employee of a PR firm contracted by the Oilers or Chia's agent or someone like that.

Once again, I'd like to offer myself out for hire. Buy my dissent.


I’d wager he was an individual close to Bob. If so and you’re still monitoring the site, hey, I know I’m from Sask but I’m 100% willing to relocate for a gig. Don’t be shy, together with Pi we can fix what ails the Oil. Hire us. Feel free to use Survivor58 as our resume. You’ll see.

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 20 February 2019 19:17

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 20 February 2019 20:03

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 20 February 2019 18:25

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 20 February 2019 18:08

Adam wrote on Wed, 20 February 2019 18:19

Here's the last post he made here. It was in this very thread, four weeks ago today.

shoop wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 22:05

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 13:02

Ales Cooper wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 02:03

Can’t wait to read Shoops take on this
rofl

Hahaha! Well, he did say the Koski deal broke him, I think(?).


Yes, I did. The Manning deal pushed me right to the edge. Koskinen pushed me over.

Is Ales that pathetic that the only thing he posts is to bait me? What a champ.



I think that the many pointed barbs at him near the end, combined with his crushing disappointment at what a desperate Chiarelli was doing may have driven him away. Poor guy...he really believed that a little positivity would help Panicky Pete find his way...only to learn that he came by that nickname honestly.

Eh, all the best to him. I’m sure we’ll have another caped crusader lurk out from the shadows and (attempt to) make us all feel bad about our views on how poor the OEG runs a hockey franchise. Heck, perhaps it will be him under a new name.


If i had to guess, shoop was Keith Gretzky. Mission accomplished, he cheered Chia on making terrible move after terrible move and ended up with his job. Too busy to post here now :)

I'd bet a dime he was an employee of a PR firm contracted by the Oilers or Chia's agent or someone like that.

Once again, I'd like to offer myself out for hire. Buy my dissent.


I’d wager he was an individual close to Bob. If so and you’re still monitoring the site, hey, I know I’m from Sask but I’m 100% willing to relocate for a gig. Don’t be shy, together with Pi we can fix what ails the Oil. Hire us. Feel free to use Survivor58 as our resume. You’ll see.

I'm not saying the Oilers would win with us as President and Vice President, but I'm 100% certain Adam will be a better GM than the dunderheads they've had holding down chairs since Sather left. And yes, I'm hiring Adam. That's how hockey works, right? You're only allowed to hire people you know.

Adam or Yzerman.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 20 February 2019 20:20

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 20 February 2019 19:17

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 20 February 2019 20:03

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 20 February 2019 18:25

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 20 February 2019 18:08

Adam wrote on Wed, 20 February 2019 18:19

Here's the last post he made here. It was in this very thread, four weeks ago today.

shoop wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 22:05

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 13:02

Ales Cooper wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 02:03

Can’t wait to read Shoops take on this
rofl

Hahaha! Well, he did say the Koski deal broke him, I think(?).


Yes, I did. The Manning deal pushed me right to the edge. Koskinen pushed me over.

Is Ales that pathetic that the only thing he posts is to bait me? What a champ.



I think that the many pointed barbs at him near the end, combined with his crushing disappointment at what a desperate Chiarelli was doing may have driven him away. Poor guy...he really believed that a little positivity would help Panicky Pete find his way...only to learn that he came by that nickname honestly.

Eh, all the best to him. I’m sure we’ll have another caped crusader lurk out from the shadows and (attempt to) make us all feel bad about our views on how poor the OEG runs a hockey franchise. Heck, perhaps it will be him under a new name.


If i had to guess, shoop was Keith Gretzky. Mission accomplished, he cheered Chia on making terrible move after terrible move and ended up with his job. Too busy to post here now :)

I'd bet a dime he was an employee of a PR firm contracted by the Oilers or Chia's agent or someone like that.

Once again, I'd like to offer myself out for hire. Buy my dissent.


I’d wager he was an individual close to Bob. If so and you’re still monitoring the site, hey, I know I’m from Sask but I’m 100% willing to relocate for a gig. Don’t be shy, together with Pi we can fix what ails the Oil. Hire us. Feel free to use Survivor58 as our resume. You’ll see.

I'm not saying the Oilers would win with us as President and Vice President, but I'm 100% certain Adam will be a better GM than the dunderheads they've had holding down chairs since Sather left. And yes, I'm hiring Adam. That's how hockey works, right? You're only allowed to hire people you know.

Adam or Yzerman.

Well Mr. President, we have the job already. We don’t interview people for open roles!

VP Oscargasm has a nice ring to it, maybe not six rings, but a nice ring.

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John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

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This org is so clueless. They have no idea what they're looking for. And they expect the rest of the league to help them out? This is probably the same way Nicholson collected his team Canada management groups.

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:13

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John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

This org is so clueless. They have no idea what they're looking for. And they expect the rest of the league to help them out? This is probably the same way Nicholson collected his team Canada management groups.

This can’t be true.

If so, MacT and Lowe are snickering and fist pumping each other on second layer of meat shield they now have in Grampa Bobby.

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g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:26

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:13

Christian Pagnani @chrispagnani
John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

This org is so clueless. They have no idea what they're looking for. And they expect the rest of the league to help them out? This is probably the same way Nicholson collected his team Canada management groups.

This can’t be true.

If so, MacT and Lowe are snickering and fist pumping each other on second layer of meat shield they now have in Grampa Bobby.


Guess this org is no stranger to looking for affirmation from other orgs. I remember MacT bragging back in 2013 about how other GM's told him the Oilers were on the right track and had a bright future.

So, who are other GM's gonna tell us the best guy is? Just that great guy Keith?

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 18:44

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:26

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:13

Christian Pagnani @chrispagnani
John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

This org is so clueless. They have no idea what they're looking for. And they expect the rest of the league to help them out? This is probably the same way Nicholson collected his team Canada management groups.

This can’t be true.

If so, MacT and Lowe are snickering and fist pumping each other on second layer of meat shield they now have in Grampa Bobby.


Guess this org is no stranger to looking for affirmation from other orgs. I remember MacT bragging back in 2013 about how other GM's told him the Oilers were on the right track and had a bright future.

So, who are other GM's gonna tell us the best guy is? Just that great guy Keith?

Well coke bottles confirmed it between periods.

Most GM’s are going to say they had the right guy in place, but fired him.

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g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:02

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 18:44

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:26

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:13

Christian Pagnani @chrispagnani
John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

This org is so clueless. They have no idea what they're looking for. And they expect the rest of the league to help them out? This is probably the same way Nicholson collected his team Canada management groups.

This can’t be true.

If so, MacT and Lowe are snickering and fist pumping each other on second layer of meat shield they now have in Grampa Bobby.


Guess this org is no stranger to looking for affirmation from other orgs. I remember MacT bragging back in 2013 about how other GM's told him the Oilers were on the right track and had a bright future.

So, who are other GM's gonna tell us the best guy is? Just that great guy Keith?

Well coke bottles confirmed it between periods.

Most GM’s are going to say they had the right guy in place, but fired him.


Going on about how much they like MacT and how much they enjoyed working with him would be very smart.

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"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:23

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:02

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 18:44

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:26

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:13

Christian Pagnani @chrispagnani
John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

This org is so clueless. They have no idea what they're looking for. And they expect the rest of the league to help them out? This is probably the same way Nicholson collected his team Canada management groups.

This can’t be true.

If so, MacT and Lowe are snickering and fist pumping each other on second layer of meat shield they now have in Grampa Bobby.


Guess this org is no stranger to looking for affirmation from other orgs. I remember MacT bragging back in 2013 about how other GM's told him the Oilers were on the right track and had a bright future.

So, who are other GM's gonna tell us the best guy is? Just that great guy Keith?

Well coke bottles confirmed it between periods.

Most GM’s are going to say they had the right guy in place, but fired him.


Going on about how much they like MacT and how much they enjoyed working with him would be very smart.

“Here’s Milbury contact info.”

“That’s okay. Got it a few times today already.”

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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #732106 is a reply to message #732101 ]
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g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:29

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:23

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:02

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Christian Pagnani @chrispagnani
John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

This org is so clueless. They have no idea what they're looking for. And they expect the rest of the league to help them out? This is probably the same way Nicholson collected his team Canada management groups.

This can’t be true.

If so, MacT and Lowe are snickering and fist pumping each other on second layer of meat shield they now have in Grampa Bobby.


Guess this org is no stranger to looking for affirmation from other orgs. I remember MacT bragging back in 2013 about how other GM's told him the Oilers were on the right track and had a bright future.

So, who are other GM's gonna tell us the best guy is? Just that great guy Keith?

Well coke bottles confirmed it between periods.

Most GM’s are going to say they had the right guy in place, but fired him.


Going on about how much they like MacT and how much they enjoyed working with him would be very smart.

“Here’s Milbury contact info.”

“That’s okay. Got it a few times today already.”


Honestly, it explains an awful lot if the Oilers management actually believes the other teams are just going to help them to get better. They must feel just completely betrayed every time they make a deal and it goes horribly wrong because the other GM just took them to the woodshed mercilessly.

Maybe the generosity that Sather showed the team a few times (Nedved, Leetch bonus pick, Talbot) made the brass actually believe that this was all just this great community of really nice guys working together to make everyone better in their own turn...There's all the first overall picks - maybe they thought the league wanted them to do well? Even the Pronger trade apparently came about when the agent mentioned to Lowe that he thought St. Louis was in sell mode. These guys get a couple helping hands and suddenly they turn in to Hockey's Welfare Recipients just waiting for their next handout!

And now, through this lens, picture some of those moments in Oilers history:

- "I'm so sorry MacT, I'd love to help you out here but it's just the cyclical nature of the game. It's your turn to give right now, but we'll help you out down the road. So where were we - a 3rd and a 5th for Hemsky sound about right?"

- "Tambo! Great to hear from you...your guys ARE doing great this year. But it's not really your time yet so I can't really help you out. Unless that is, you want Smithson..."

- "Oh Pete, you already got McDavid in the draft. You don't really think we're allowed to give you MORE than just Larsson for Hall, do you?"

It's mind-bogglingly stupid to go asking your competitors what is the best thing for your organization. They aren't going to be helpful, and you're just making yourself a laughingstock. If you were going to make those inquiries, if for example, there was a Sather out there who you saw as a mentor and who may still be willing to give you a little guidance - why would you let it publicly be known, more than once, that you're asking other teams for help.

FFS...do you think this is what they do when they need an offensive defenceman too? "Hey, Lombardi, Bowman - you guys have been pretty successful lately...who do you think we should go get for a right shot d-man? Rishaug keeps telling me we really need one. And do you think we should overpay for that?"

Man, this team just makes me angry.

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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #732140 is a reply to message #732106 ]
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Adam wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 20:19

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:29

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:23

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:02

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 18:44

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:26

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:13

Christian Pagnani @chrispagnani
John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

This org is so clueless. They have no idea what they're looking for. And they expect the rest of the league to help them out? This is probably the same way Nicholson collected his team Canada management groups.

This can’t be true.

If so, MacT and Lowe are snickering and fist pumping each other on second layer of meat shield they now have in Grampa Bobby.


Guess this org is no stranger to looking for affirmation from other orgs. I remember MacT bragging back in 2013 about how other GM's told him the Oilers were on the right track and had a bright future.

So, who are other GM's gonna tell us the best guy is? Just that great guy Keith?

Well coke bottles confirmed it between periods.

Most GM’s are going to say they had the right guy in place, but fired him.


Going on about how much they like MacT and how much they enjoyed working with him would be very smart.

“Here’s Milbury contact info.”

“That’s okay. Got it a few times today already.”


Honestly, it explains an awful lot if the Oilers management actually believes the other teams are just going to help them to get better. They must feel just completely betrayed every time they make a deal and it goes horribly wrong because the other GM just took them to the woodshed mercilessly.

Maybe the generosity that Sather showed the team a few times (Nedved, Leetch bonus pick, Talbot) made the brass actually believe that this was all just this great community of really nice guys working together to make everyone better in their own turn...There's all the first overall picks - maybe they thought the league wanted them to do well? Even the Pronger trade apparently came about when the agent mentioned to Lowe that he thought St. Louis was in sell mode. These guys get a couple helping hands and suddenly they turn in to Hockey's Welfare Recipients just waiting for their next handout!

And now, through this lens, picture some of those moments in Oilers history:

- "I'm so sorry MacT, I'd love to help you out here but it's just the cyclical nature of the game. It's your turn to give right now, but we'll help you out down the road. So where were we - a 3rd and a 5th for Hemsky sound about right?"

- "Tambo! Great to hear from you...your guys ARE doing great this year. But it's not really your time yet so I can't really help you out. Unless that is, you want Smithson..."

- "Oh Pete, you already got McDavid in the draft. You don't really think we're allowed to give you MORE than just Larsson for Hall, do you?"

It's mind-bogglingly stupid to go asking your competitors what is the best thing for your organization. They aren't going to be helpful, and you're just making yourself a laughingstock. If you were going to make those inquiries, if for example, there was a Sather out there who you saw as a mentor and who may still be willing to give you a little guidance - why would you let it publicly be known, more than once, that you're asking other teams for help.

FFS...do you think this is what they do when they need an offensive defenceman too? "Hey, Lombardi, Bowman - you guys have been pretty successful lately...who do you think we should go get for a right shot d-man? Rishaug keeps telling me we really need one. And do you think we should overpay for that?"

Man, this team just makes me angry.


You need to take a break from the team and probably hockey in general, you seem to get way to worked up over a game.

This forum has turned into a pessimistic cesspool of bitching and whining about the same topics consistently.

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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #732141 is a reply to message #732140 ]
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PoolParty wrote on Fri, 01 March 2019 10:11

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 20:19

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:29

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:23

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:02

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 18:44

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:26

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:13

Christian Pagnani @chrispagnani
John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

This org is so clueless. They have no idea what they're looking for. And they expect the rest of the league to help them out? This is probably the same way Nicholson collected his team Canada management groups.

This can’t be true.

If so, MacT and Lowe are snickering and fist pumping each other on second layer of meat shield they now have in Grampa Bobby.


Guess this org is no stranger to looking for affirmation from other orgs. I remember MacT bragging back in 2013 about how other GM's told him the Oilers were on the right track and had a bright future.

So, who are other GM's gonna tell us the best guy is? Just that great guy Keith?

Well coke bottles confirmed it between periods.

Most GM’s are going to say they had the right guy in place, but fired him.


Going on about how much they like MacT and how much they enjoyed working with him would be very smart.

“Here’s Milbury contact info.”

“That’s okay. Got it a few times today already.”


Honestly, it explains an awful lot if the Oilers management actually believes the other teams are just going to help them to get better. They must feel just completely betrayed every time they make a deal and it goes horribly wrong because the other GM just took them to the woodshed mercilessly.

Maybe the generosity that Sather showed the team a few times (Nedved, Leetch bonus pick, Talbot) made the brass actually believe that this was all just this great community of really nice guys working together to make everyone better in their own turn...There's all the first overall picks - maybe they thought the league wanted them to do well? Even the Pronger trade apparently came about when the agent mentioned to Lowe that he thought St. Louis was in sell mode. These guys get a couple helping hands and suddenly they turn in to Hockey's Welfare Recipients just waiting for their next handout!

And now, through this lens, picture some of those moments in Oilers history:

- "I'm so sorry MacT, I'd love to help you out here but it's just the cyclical nature of the game. It's your turn to give right now, but we'll help you out down the road. So where were we - a 3rd and a 5th for Hemsky sound about right?"

- "Tambo! Great to hear from you...your guys ARE doing great this year. But it's not really your time yet so I can't really help you out. Unless that is, you want Smithson..."

- "Oh Pete, you already got McDavid in the draft. You don't really think we're allowed to give you MORE than just Larsson for Hall, do you?"

It's mind-bogglingly stupid to go asking your competitors what is the best thing for your organization. They aren't going to be helpful, and you're just making yourself a laughingstock. If you were going to make those inquiries, if for example, there was a Sather out there who you saw as a mentor and who may still be willing to give you a little guidance - why would you let it publicly be known, more than once, that you're asking other teams for help.

FFS...do you think this is what they do when they need an offensive defenceman too? "Hey, Lombardi, Bowman - you guys have been pretty successful lately...who do you think we should go get for a right shot d-man? Rishaug keeps telling me we really need one. And do you think we should overpay for that?"

Man, this team just makes me angry.


You need to take a break from the team and probably hockey in general, you seem to get way to worked up over a game.


Man, imagine somebody was sick of losing in like 2014 and they did take a break. Like 5 years. And then came back this point...

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.


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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #732142 is a reply to message #732141 ]
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CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 01 March 2019 10:22

PoolParty wrote on Fri, 01 March 2019 10:11

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 20:19

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:29

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:23

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:02

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 18:44

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:26

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:13

Christian Pagnani @chrispagnani
John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

This org is so clueless. They have no idea what they're looking for. And they expect the rest of the league to help them out? This is probably the same way Nicholson collected his team Canada management groups.

This can’t be true.

If so, MacT and Lowe are snickering and fist pumping each other on second layer of meat shield they now have in Grampa Bobby.


Guess this org is no stranger to looking for affirmation from other orgs. I remember MacT bragging back in 2013 about how other GM's told him the Oilers were on the right track and had a bright future.

So, who are other GM's gonna tell us the best guy is? Just that great guy Keith?

Well coke bottles confirmed it between periods.

Most GM’s are going to say they had the right guy in place, but fired him.


Going on about how much they like MacT and how much they enjoyed working with him would be very smart.

“Here’s Milbury contact info.”

“That’s okay. Got it a few times today already.”


Honestly, it explains an awful lot if the Oilers management actually believes the other teams are just going to help them to get better. They must feel just completely betrayed every time they make a deal and it goes horribly wrong because the other GM just took them to the woodshed mercilessly.

Maybe the generosity that Sather showed the team a few times (Nedved, Leetch bonus pick, Talbot) made the brass actually believe that this was all just this great community of really nice guys working together to make everyone better in their own turn...There's all the first overall picks - maybe they thought the league wanted them to do well? Even the Pronger trade apparently came about when the agent mentioned to Lowe that he thought St. Louis was in sell mode. These guys get a couple helping hands and suddenly they turn in to Hockey's Welfare Recipients just waiting for their next handout!

And now, through this lens, picture some of those moments in Oilers history:

- "I'm so sorry MacT, I'd love to help you out here but it's just the cyclical nature of the game. It's your turn to give right now, but we'll help you out down the road. So where were we - a 3rd and a 5th for Hemsky sound about right?"

- "Tambo! Great to hear from you...your guys ARE doing great this year. But it's not really your time yet so I can't really help you out. Unless that is, you want Smithson..."

- "Oh Pete, you already got McDavid in the draft. You don't really think we're allowed to give you MORE than just Larsson for Hall, do you?"

It's mind-bogglingly stupid to go asking your competitors what is the best thing for your organization. They aren't going to be helpful, and you're just making yourself a laughingstock. If you were going to make those inquiries, if for example, there was a Sather out there who you saw as a mentor and who may still be willing to give you a little guidance - why would you let it publicly be known, more than once, that you're asking other teams for help.

FFS...do you think this is what they do when they need an offensive defenceman too? "Hey, Lombardi, Bowman - you guys have been pretty successful lately...who do you think we should go get for a right shot d-man? Rishaug keeps telling me we really need one. And do you think we should overpay for that?"

Man, this team just makes me angry.


You need to take a break from the team and probably hockey in general, you seem to get way to worked up over a game.


Man, imagine somebody was sick of losing in like 2014 and they did take a break. Like 5 years. And then came back this point...

This is the thing. I don’t think anyone here needs to apologize for being critical of something they enjoy following closely.

I get a kick out of people that take a passing interest in the game or team who relish on coming off as people so in control of their emotions and beliefs. Gimme a break. They just don’t care as much. One is no better than the other.

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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #732143 is a reply to message #732141 ]
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CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 01 March 2019 10:22


Man, imagine somebody was sick of losing in like 2014 and they did take a break. Like 5 years. And then came back this point...


https://i.imgur.com/zGHQb4O.gif?2

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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #732148 is a reply to message #732143 ]
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John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

Baffoons. This team is run by baffoons.

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nullterm wrote on Fri, 01 March 2019 15:25

John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

Baffoons. This team is run by baffoons.


Well it's gotta be someone that the other GMs like. See: Chiarelli, Peter.

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nullterm wrote on Fri, 01 March 2019 12:25

John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

Baffoons. This team is run by baffoons.


They are parading the due diligence a competent organization is expected to display. No stone left un-turned. And we fans are suppose to buy it. ( and tickets for next season )


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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #732164 is a reply to message #732141 ]
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<Man, imagine somebody was sick of losing in like 2014 and they did take a break. Like 5 years. And then came back this point...>

You meant 2004 right?


edit: quote didn's come through.

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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #732167 is a reply to message #732140 ]
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PoolParty wrote on Fri, 01 March 2019 10:11

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 20:19

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:29

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:23

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:02

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 18:44

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:26

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:13

Christian Pagnani @chrispagnani
John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

This org is so clueless. They have no idea what they're looking for. And they expect the rest of the league to help them out? This is probably the same way Nicholson collected his team Canada management groups.

This can’t be true.

If so, MacT and Lowe are snickering and fist pumping each other on second layer of meat shield they now have in Grampa Bobby.


Guess this org is no stranger to looking for affirmation from other orgs. I remember MacT bragging back in 2013 about how other GM's told him the Oilers were on the right track and had a bright future.

So, who are other GM's gonna tell us the best guy is? Just that great guy Keith?

Well coke bottles confirmed it between periods.

Most GM’s are going to say they had the right guy in place, but fired him.


Going on about how much they like MacT and how much they enjoyed working with him would be very smart.

“Here’s Milbury contact info.”

“That’s okay. Got it a few times today already.”


Honestly, it explains an awful lot if the Oilers management actually believes the other teams are just going to help them to get better. They must feel just completely betrayed every time they make a deal and it goes horribly wrong because the other GM just took them to the woodshed mercilessly.

Maybe the generosity that Sather showed the team a few times (Nedved, Leetch bonus pick, Talbot) made the brass actually believe that this was all just this great community of really nice guys working together to make everyone better in their own turn...There's all the first overall picks - maybe they thought the league wanted them to do well? Even the Pronger trade apparently came about when the agent mentioned to Lowe that he thought St. Louis was in sell mode. These guys get a couple helping hands and suddenly they turn in to Hockey's Welfare Recipients just waiting for their next handout!

And now, through this lens, picture some of those moments in Oilers history:

- "I'm so sorry MacT, I'd love to help you out here but it's just the cyclical nature of the game. It's your turn to give right now, but we'll help you out down the road. So where were we - a 3rd and a 5th for Hemsky sound about right?"

- "Tambo! Great to hear from you...your guys ARE doing great this year. But it's not really your time yet so I can't really help you out. Unless that is, you want Smithson..."

- "Oh Pete, you already got McDavid in the draft. You don't really think we're allowed to give you MORE than just Larsson for Hall, do you?"

It's mind-bogglingly stupid to go asking your competitors what is the best thing for your organization. They aren't going to be helpful, and you're just making yourself a laughingstock. If you were going to make those inquiries, if for example, there was a Sather out there who you saw as a mentor and who may still be willing to give you a little guidance - why would you let it publicly be known, more than once, that you're asking other teams for help.

FFS...do you think this is what they do when they need an offensive defenceman too? "Hey, Lombardi, Bowman - you guys have been pretty successful lately...who do you think we should go get for a right shot d-man? Rishaug keeps telling me we really need one. And do you think we should overpay for that?"

Man, this team just makes me angry.


You need to take a break from the team and probably hockey in general, you seem to get way to worked up over a game.



It's so refreshing to hear from someone who's completely okay with constant failure. It gets so wearying always dealing with people who want to see progress and victory. Why bother when you can just embrace the suck and gladly ask for more.

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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #732408 is a reply to message #732167 ]
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I’m guessing that Gretzky is hoping to duck the GM position and do straight into the untouchable, entrenched, management role, with his friends. That’s were I’d rather be. That’s where the job security and booze is!

2015/2016 - This Kool-Aid tastes like McDavid flavoured Drain-O.
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2018/2019 - Another round of Drain-O, good sir!

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I just want the absolute best possible guy for the GM's job you can get. I don't care what his last name is.

I also think they need to have a guy in the Pres of Hockey Ops job and another guy in the GM's chair. I do not want the jobs combined like Chia had. It sure sounds like Chia made a lot of decisions on his own. He probably got input from others but if he wanted the move, it happened no matter what. Example is the Strome trade. It doesn't sound like many wanted it to happen. Apparently McLellan and his staff definitely didn't want it to happen but he made the move anyway. Maybe if they have a sober second thought guy rather than one guy with all the power, some of the stupid moves might not have happened.

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Magnum wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 09:58

I’m guessing that Gretzky is hoping to duck the GM position and do straight into the untouchable, entrenched, management role, with his friends. That’s were I’d rather be. That’s where the job security and booze is!


Eh, he’s Wayne’s brother... pretty sure the booze will be wherever he goes. But yeah absolutely. Get out of the firing line and into an advisor role on the “non-hockey ops” side of OEG. VP of Pizza Acquisitions perhaps.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 10:05

I just want the absolute best possible guy for the GM's job you can get. I don't care what his last name is.

I also think they need to have a guy in the Pres of Hockey Ops job and another guy in the GM's chair. I do not want the jobs combined like Chia had. It sure sounds like Chia made a lot of decisions on his own. He probably got input from others but if he wanted the move, it happened no matter what. Example is the Strome trade. It doesn't sound like many wanted it to happen. Apparently McLellan and his staff definitely didn't want it to happen but he made the move anyway. Maybe if they have a sober second thought guy rather than one guy with all the power, some of the stupid moves might not have happened.


Perhaps, though perhaps Chia would still have made them. I can’t look it up right now, but I believe the dual role (GM and PoHo) seems to be a common thing in the NHL and Bobby may not have much of a choice but to include both roles to attract the ‘right’ candidate which I would understand as it would give them full autonomy over the team/moves/hires below. But that’s just my thinking.

Not sure why Dave Nonis has been mentioned. I think he’d be a terrible hire here.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 10:05

I just want the absolute best possible guy for the GM's job you can get. I don't care what his last name is.

I also think they need to have a guy in the Pres of Hockey Ops job and another guy in the GM's chair. I do not want the jobs combined like Chia had. It sure sounds like Chia made a lot of decisions on his own. He probably got input from others but if he wanted the move, it happened no matter what. Example is the Strome trade. It doesn't sound like many wanted it to happen. Apparently McLellan and his staff definitely didn't want it to happen but he made the move anyway. Maybe if they have a sober second thought guy rather than one guy with all the power, some of the stupid moves might not have happened.


Perhaps, though perhaps Chia would still have made them. I can’t look it up right now, but I believe the dual role (GM and PoHo) seems to be a common thing in the NHL and Bobby may not have much of a choice but to include both roles to attract the ‘right’ candidate which I would understand as it would give them full autonomy over the team/moves/hires below. But that’s just my thinking.

Not sure why Dave Nonis has been mentioned. I think he’d be a terrible hire here.


Someone pointed out that Dreger is related to Nonis, and mentions him whenever there's an opening...possibly just to get him consideration...

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 09:05

I just want the absolute best possible guy for the GM's job you can get. I don't care what his last name is.

I also think they need to have a guy in the Pres of Hockey Ops job and another guy in the GM's chair. I do not want the jobs combined like Chia had. It sure sounds like Chia made a lot of decisions on his own. He probably got input from others but if he wanted the move, it happened no matter what. Example is the Strome trade. It doesn't sound like many wanted it to happen. Apparently McLellan and his staff definitely didn't want it to happen but he made the move anyway. Maybe if they have a sober second thought guy rather than one guy with all the power, some of the stupid moves might not have happened.


Do you think there's any chance that the best guy has the last name "Gretzky"?

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Adam wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 09:45

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 09:05

I just want the absolute best possible guy for the GM's job you can get. I don't care what his last name is.

I also think they need to have a guy in the Pres of Hockey Ops job and another guy in the GM's chair. I do not want the jobs combined like Chia had. It sure sounds like Chia made a lot of decisions on his own. He probably got input from others but if he wanted the move, it happened no matter what. Example is the Strome trade. It doesn't sound like many wanted it to happen. Apparently McLellan and his staff definitely didn't want it to happen but he made the move anyway. Maybe if they have a sober second thought guy rather than one guy with all the power, some of the stupid moves might not have happened.


Do you think there's any chance that the best guy has the last name "Gretzky"?

I mean, it's possible, but what are the odds that the Oilers once had a best player named Gretzky AND a best GM candidate named Gretzky. They must be long. Quite the coincidence.

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Adam wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 09:45

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 09:05

I just want the absolute best possible guy for the GM's job you can get. I don't care what his last name is.

I also think they need to have a guy in the Pres of Hockey Ops job and another guy in the GM's chair. I do not want the jobs combined like Chia had. It sure sounds like Chia made a lot of decisions on his own. He probably got input from others but if he wanted the move, it happened no matter what. Example is the Strome trade. It doesn't sound like many wanted it to happen. Apparently McLellan and his staff definitely didn't want it to happen but he made the move anyway. Maybe if they have a sober second thought guy rather than one guy with all the power, some of the stupid moves might not have happened.


Do you think there's any chance that the best guy has the last name "Gretzky"?


I don't have a clue. I don't know enough about him. The majority of his experience comes from outside the Oilers and his body of work with the Oilers is pretty limited. I also do not know what his actual involvement has actually been when Chia was here. According to Stauffer, he is making it sound like Chia was the guy making all the calls and basically made all the decisions on his own even if others disagreed. Whether that is completely true or not, I am not 100% sure. If Gretzky was side by side with Chia, slapping him on the back saying what a great idea all his screw ups were, then absolutely he can't be it. IF it was like what Stauffer is saying and he would give Chia his 2 cents, going against what Chia said and all that happened is Chia thanked him for his opinion, then just did the opposite, that's a different story. I just look at the moves that Gretzky has made right after Chia was let go and every one of them was directly against a CHia move.
- Spooner, Chia's guy, a guy that supposedly not a lot on the team wanted, got waived immediately and then traded shortly after. I don't think that move gets made if Chia is here. If GRetzky was right there with CHia on that move, I have my doubts me makes it either because it would make him look bad.
- Manning, another CHia move gets waived pretty quickly after Chia is gone. I am not sure it happens if Chia is here and I don't know it happens if Gretzky was a guy that wanted him.
- Talbot trade. I think Talbot gets traded if Chia was here. You had to make the move to get something for a guy that was leaving. I didn't mind the trade. I didn't think Talbot was worth much. But if you are trading a goalie, you needed another one coming back to be the back up. If Chia was here, I thought they would either get some crap pick which in turn they would have to flip to another team to get a back up. Or they would have to retain salary or they are bringing back a guy like Elliott. All dumb moves in my books. Instead they got Stolarz straight up. I have no clue if Stolarz is anything worth keeping but I like the fact he is a young, big goalie with some experience though limited that you can have a look at and make a decision on. I like that better than getting an Elliott that you know it lousy and have no future with you or getting some low end draft pick that is 6+ yrs away from maybe being anything.
So with all the moves that Gretzky has made, to me they are the opposite of what I think Chia would have done which makes me wonder just how much involvement Gretzky had.

At the end of the day, like I said, I really do not care what the guys last name is. All I want is the best, most capable guy no matter who that is. I want to them to talk to every guy they can, get all kinds of opinions they can from others on candidates, leave no stone unturned. They HAVE TOO get this right. I just do not want the guys last night no matter who that is to be a reason they don't hire a guy because they are so worried about optics. Get the right guy!!

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 11:19

Adam wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 09:45

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 09:05

I just want the absolute best possible guy for the GM's job you can get. I don't care what his last name is.

I also think they need to have a guy in the Pres of Hockey Ops job and another guy in the GM's chair. I do not want the jobs combined like Chia had. It sure sounds like Chia made a lot of decisions on his own. He probably got input from others but if he wanted the move, it happened no matter what. Example is the Strome trade. It doesn't sound like many wanted it to happen. Apparently McLellan and his staff definitely didn't want it to happen but he made the move anyway. Maybe if they have a sober second thought guy rather than one guy with all the power, some of the stupid moves might not have happened.


Do you think there's any chance that the best guy has the last name "Gretzky"?


I don't have a clue. I don't know enough about him. The majority of his experience comes from outside the Oilers and his body of work with the Oilers is pretty limited. I also do not know what his actual involvement has actually been when Chia was here. According to Stauffer, he is making it sound like Chia was the guy making all the calls and basically made all the decisions on his own even if others disagreed. Whether that is completely true or not, I am not 100% sure. If Gretzky was side by side with Chia, slapping him on the back saying what a great idea all his screw ups were, then absolutely he can't be it. IF it was like what Stauffer is saying and he would give Chia his 2 cents, going against what Chia said and all that happened is Chia thanked him for his opinion, then just did the opposite, that's a different story. I just look at the moves that Gretzky has made right after Chia was let go and every one of them was directly against a CHia move.
- Spooner, Chia's guy, a guy that supposedly not a lot on the team wanted, got waived immediately and then traded shortly after. I don't think that move gets made if Chia is here. If GRetzky was right there with CHia on that move, I have my doubts me makes it either because it would make him look bad.
- Manning, another CHia move gets waived pretty quickly after Chia is gone. I am not sure it happens if Chia is here and I don't know it happens if Gretzky was a guy that wanted him.
- Talbot trade. I think Talbot gets traded if Chia was here. You had to make the move to get something for a guy that was leaving. I didn't mind the trade. I didn't think Talbot was worth much. But if you are trading a goalie, you needed another one coming back to be the back up. If Chia was here, I thought they would either get some crap pick which in turn they would have to flip to another team to get a back up. Or they would have to retain salary or they are bringing back a guy like Elliott. All dumb moves in my books. Instead they got Stolarz straight up. I have no clue if Stolarz is anything worth keeping but I like the fact he is a young, big goalie with some experience though limited that you can have a look at and make a decision on. I like that better than getting an Elliott that you know it lousy and have no future with you or getting some low end draft pick that is 6+ yrs away from maybe being anything.
So with all the moves that Gretzky has made, to me they are the opposite of what I think Chia would have done which makes me wonder just how much involvement Gretzky had.

At the end of the day, like I said, I really do not care what the guys last name is. All I want is the best, most capable guy no matter who that is. I want to them to talk to every guy they can, get all kinds of opinions they can from others on candidates, leave no stone unturned. They HAVE TOO get this right. I just do not want the guys last night no matter who that is to be a reason they don't hire a guy because they are so worried about optics. Get the right guy!!

I think the right guy is Gretzky. I mean, unless Messier wants it. Or Coffey. Actually what's Fuhr doing these days?

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There is a TON of talk from the fans about the Oilers not hiring another old Oiler or anyone with any kind of ties to any old Oiler. Ex. Keith Gretzky because of his last name. There is also a lot of talk about any old Hockey Canada guys, guys who Nicholson would know. So that would eliminate a lot of guys.

But here is a question.

IF all of that is true, why would anyone accept Yzerman in some capacity? I think adding him to the organization in some capacity is most of everyone's dream but he is a big time Hockey Canada guy so he'd be a Nicholson guy. So why would that be acceptable?

I am just curious what are people's limits as to what is acceptable when it comes to involvement with either old Oilers or Hockey Canada guys. I am not advocating for Gretzky or anyone, I am just curious how far it would go for people? Nicholson being the main guy for Hockey Canada all those years would have worked with or have relationships with A LOT of people in the NHL.

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 12:26

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 11:19

Adam wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 09:45

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 09:05

I just want the absolute best possible guy for the GM's job you can get. I don't care what his last name is.

I also think they need to have a guy in the Pres of Hockey Ops job and another guy in the GM's chair. I do not want the jobs combined like Chia had. It sure sounds like Chia made a lot of decisions on his own. He probably got input from others but if he wanted the move, it happened no matter what. Example is the Strome trade. It doesn't sound like many wanted it to happen. Apparently McLellan and his staff definitely didn't want it to happen but he made the move anyway. Maybe if they have a sober second thought guy rather than one guy with all the power, some of the stupid moves might not have happened.


Do you think there's any chance that the best guy has the last name "Gretzky"?


I don't have a clue. I don't know enough about him. The majority of his experience comes from outside the Oilers and his body of work with the Oilers is pretty limited. I also do not know what his actual involvement has actually been when Chia was here. According to Stauffer, he is making it sound like Chia was the guy making all the calls and basically made all the decisions on his own even if others disagreed. Whether that is completely true or not, I am not 100% sure. If Gretzky was side by side with Chia, slapping him on the back saying what a great idea all his screw ups were, then absolutely he can't be it. IF it was like what Stauffer is saying and he would give Chia his 2 cents, going against what Chia said and all that happened is Chia thanked him for his opinion, then just did the opposite, that's a different story. I just look at the moves that Gretzky has made right after Chia was let go and every one of them was directly against a CHia move.
- Spooner, Chia's guy, a guy that supposedly not a lot on the team wanted, got waived immediately and then traded shortly after. I don't think that move gets made if Chia is here. If GRetzky was right there with CHia on that move, I have my doubts me makes it either because it would make him look bad.
- Manning, another CHia move gets waived pretty quickly after Chia is gone. I am not sure it happens if Chia is here and I don't know it happens if Gretzky was a guy that wanted him.
- Talbot trade. I think Talbot gets traded if Chia was here. You had to make the move to get something for a guy that was leaving. I didn't mind the trade. I didn't think Talbot was worth much. But if you are trading a goalie, you needed another one coming back to be the back up. If Chia was here, I thought they would either get some crap pick which in turn they would have to flip to another team to get a back up. Or they would have to retain salary or they are bringing back a guy like Elliott. All dumb moves in my books. Instead they got Stolarz straight up. I have no clue if Stolarz is anything worth keeping but I like the fact he is a young, big goalie with some experience though limited that you can have a look at and make a decision on. I like that better than getting an Elliott that you know it lousy and have no future with you or getting some low end draft pick that is 6+ yrs away from maybe being anything.
So with all the moves that Gretzky has made, to me they are the opposite of what I think Chia would have done which makes me wonder just how much involvement Gretzky had.

At the end of the day, like I said, I really do not care what the guys last name is. All I want is the best, most capable guy no matter who that is. I want to them to talk to every guy they can, get all kinds of opinions they can from others on candidates, leave no stone unturned. They HAVE TOO get this right. I just do not want the guys last night no matter who that is to be a reason they don't hire a guy because they are so worried about optics. Get the right guy!!

I think the right guy is Gretzky. I mean, unless Messier wants it. Or Coffey. Actually what's Fuhr doing these days?


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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 12:36

There is a TON of talk from the fans about the Oilers not hiring another old Oiler or anyone with any kind of ties to any old Oiler. Ex. Keith Gretzky because of his last name. There is also a lot of talk about any old Hockey Canada guys, guys who Nicholson would know. So that would eliminate a lot of guys.

But here is a question.

IF all of that is true, why would anyone accept Yzerman in some capacity? I think adding him to the organization in some capacity is most of everyone's dream but he is a big time Hockey Canada guy so he'd be a Nicholson guy. So why would that be acceptable?

I am just curious what are people's limits as to what is acceptable when it comes to involvement with either old Oilers or Hockey Canada guys. I am not advocating for Gretzky or anyone, I am just curious how far it would go for people? Nicholson being the main guy for Hockey Canada all those years would have worked with or have relationships with A LOT of people in the NHL.

Is say it would acceptable bc of what he did with Tampa. Now, how much of that was Yzerman and how much was Florida’s tax breaks, I don’t know. But the drafting and development record of his time there is pretty good. And he made trades that bettered his team, not worsened or kept it status quo. His body of work with Tampa is what would make him an acceptable hire imo.

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 11:53

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 12:26

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 11:19

Adam wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 09:45

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 09:05

I just want the absolute best possible guy for the GM's job you can get. I don't care what his last name is.

I also think they need to have a guy in the Pres of Hockey Ops job and another guy in the GM's chair. I do not want the jobs combined like Chia had. It sure sounds like Chia made a lot of decisions on his own. He probably got input from others but if he wanted the move, it happened no matter what. Example is the Strome trade. It doesn't sound like many wanted it to happen. Apparently McLellan and his staff definitely didn't want it to happen but he made the move anyway. Maybe if they have a sober second thought guy rather than one guy with all the power, some of the stupid moves might not have happened.


Do you think there's any chance that the best guy has the last name "Gretzky"?


I don't have a clue. I don't know enough about him. The majority of his experience comes from outside the Oilers and his body of work with the Oilers is pretty limited. I also do not know what his actual involvement has actually been when Chia was here. According to Stauffer, he is making it sound like Chia was the guy making all the calls and basically made all the decisions on his own even if others disagreed. Whether that is completely true or not, I am not 100% sure. If Gretzky was side by side with Chia, slapping him on the back saying what a great idea all his screw ups were, then absolutely he can't be it. IF it was like what Stauffer is saying and he would give Chia his 2 cents, going against what Chia said and all that happened is Chia thanked him for his opinion, then just did the opposite, that's a different story. I just look at the moves that Gretzky has made right after Chia was let go and every one of them was directly against a CHia move.
- Spooner, Chia's guy, a guy that supposedly not a lot on the team wanted, got waived immediately and then traded shortly after. I don't think that move gets made if Chia is here. If GRetzky was right there with CHia on that move, I have my doubts me makes it either because it would make him look bad.
- Manning, another CHia move gets waived pretty quickly after Chia is gone. I am not sure it happens if Chia is here and I don't know it happens if Gretzky was a guy that wanted him.
- Talbot trade. I think Talbot gets traded if Chia was here. You had to make the move to get something for a guy that was leaving. I didn't mind the trade. I didn't think Talbot was worth much. But if you are trading a goalie, you needed another one coming back to be the back up. If Chia was here, I thought they would either get some crap pick which in turn they would have to flip to another team to get a back up. Or they would have to retain salary or they are bringing back a guy like Elliott. All dumb moves in my books. Instead they got Stolarz straight up. I have no clue if Stolarz is anything worth keeping but I like the fact he is a young, big goalie with some experience though limited that you can have a look at and make a decision on. I like that better than getting an Elliott that you know it lousy and have no future with you or getting some low end draft pick that is 6+ yrs away from maybe being anything.
So with all the moves that Gretzky has made, to me they are the opposite of what I think Chia would have done which makes me wonder just how much involvement Gretzky had.

At the end of the day, like I said, I really do not care what the guys last name is. All I want is the best, most capable guy no matter who that is. I want to them to talk to every guy they can, get all kinds of opinions they can from others on candidates, leave no stone unturned. They HAVE TOO get this right. I just do not want the guys last night no matter who that is to be a reason they don't hire a guy because they are so worried about optics. Get the right guy!!

I think the right guy is Gretzky. I mean, unless Messier wants it. Or Coffey. Actually what's Fuhr doing these days?


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The problem with this site is I have no clue anymore if what people say is legit or not.

Guerin has been the Assistant GM for one of the best teams in the league the Pens since June 2014. So I'd think he would have a lot of qualities to be able to do the job. BUt he played with the Oilers for a few seasons so doesn't that disqualify him in the eyes of the fans?

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