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 Kr55
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Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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| Adam wrote on Thu, 24 June 2021 15:11 |
| Kr55 wrote on Thu, 24 June 2021 14:59 |
| mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 24 June 2021 14:40 |
| Kr55 wrote on Thu, 24 June 2021 14:24 |
| Adam wrote on Thu, 24 June 2021 14:19 |
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"I've never heard a team spend this much time talking about what they can't do, instead of what they can. No creativity" - Steve Dangle on the Oilers
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So you want more AA for 2 2nd rounder type trades? :)
Until Holland is gone, I think the best you can hope for is draft miracles improving the team. He's terrible at trading. Was probably an inch away from giving up a couple 3rd rounders for Glendenning last deadline. Yzerman probably tried to go for the gusto upgrade one to a 2nd next year.
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I mean, honestly AA would have been one of our better depth forwards for scoring and a better use of cap than Turris was. I'm still not convinced the Oilers were right to not re-sign him.
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Tough trading for guys that spent almost an entire season mailing it in. I think that's basically what we got, a guy that completely took his eye off the ball of what it takes to actually be competitive (by playing on a team that was tanking from game 1) and he never came close to getting it back. Still didn't in LA. Scored on his 3 first shots of the season by some bizarre hockey god trolling about how we dumped him, but then 7 goals in the next 44 games. Maybe that's still good by Oilers depth standards :) But I don't think Tippett was a fan either, may have ended up handled very similar to Turris.
Still think Yzerman owned us on that trade. Got us enamored with a 1 season wonder boy. Doubt there was that much of a bidding war for AA with the season he was having. The reason I was was optimistic about that trade was Holland knowing the player.
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There's really not a lot of excuse for Holland with players like Athanasiou. He knew the player well. That is one of those trades where I question whether Tippett used him as Holland envisioned though.
The thing for me is that if he was someone you thought worth his qualifying offer when you made the trade - and the indication is that he was, because the Oilers talked about how they got not just a rental, but someone who'd stay under team control, then I don't think a 10-15 game sample size should change your mind.
It is possible though that it became clear Tippett wasn't interested in using him, so better to move on. That's an issue with the coach then though.
It does look like his big season was the anomaly though. Significantly higher shooting percentage and much greater shot generation that year than usual. Of course, his GM at the time should probably have understood if some of that was just luck, but when you don't trust analytics at all, it's easier to miss that sort of thing.
I do agree with Dangle though...the Oilers LOVE to talk about how they can't do more. They're forever setting the bar low. It drives me insane.
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I hope lots of people noticed how Stauffer and others couldn't stop talking about all the cap space we would have this summer to finally fix the team, mainly as an excuse for not trying to do much this year. Then, as soon as the season is over, everything shifts to how we don't have THAT much space all things considered and maybe we can't do much and gotta hope for prospects to pan out.
Just moving from one situation to the next, always with the excuses ready and little sales points about why it's OK to keep waiting.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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