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Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers [message #824278 is a reply to message #824266 ]	Wed, 14 June 2023 10:44

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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 14 June 2023 08:32

Adam wrote on Wed, 14 June 2023 00:41

clutchlikeeberle wrote on Tue, 13 June 2023 17:45

Seeing you mention Nurse, need I remind you of a second straight horrid playoff performance but a 9 mill dollar guy that can't clear a crease or be aware of his surroundings...but again I didn't originally bring up the anchor

Out of interest, who signed him to that $9MM/year contract?

Holland can share that blame with the previous regime. I get people's distrust of management in Edmonton. They have earned the reputation.

There's a lot to blame Chiarelli for, but Nurse is a tough one to pin on him.

This is the second deal he signed during the Holland era. The first, Holland decided to bridge him at $5.6MM for two years, walking him right to UFA. Then after a great season for Nurse, that could have been seen as potentially a high water mark, Holland caved and made Nurse the second highest player on the team 11 mos. before his contract was up.

There's a good argument to be made that the decision to go short-term on the prior contract is what hurt us most here. You might instead be looking at Nurse as a $6MM blueliner with 4-5 years left on his deal, rather than a $9MM one with 7 more years.

It goes to the heart of the matter on the Ryan deal too. Holland is a pretty easy guy to negotiate against. He's not great at this and doesn't have a lot of foresight. Let's take a look at his 2 year deals with the Oilers (excluding rookie deals):

Summer 2019
Jujhar Khaira - $1.2MM - only played 40 games in the second season and let walk after no qualifying offer
Alex Chiasson - 2.15MM - only played 45 games in the second season and left as UFA

In-season 2019-20
Caleb Jones - $850K - traded after first season of the deal.
Darnell Nurse - $5.6MM - discussed above - probably a mistake not to sign long-term at that point.
Josh Archibald - $1.5MM - Selfish anti-vaxx stance created serious issues. Very costly player in post-season at end of second year at fault on so many goals against.

Summer 2020 (extended summer lasting until Dec)
Jesse Puljujarvi - $1.175MM - got a big raise after this deal was over?
Kyle Turris - $1.65MM - Terrible in both seasons. Played a grand total of 50 awful games for the Oilers. Was "injured" for most of the second year.
William Lagesson - $750K - demanded a trade in Year 2. Only played 49 games on that contract. Was a throw-in in the Kulak deal
Ethan Bear - $2MM - ill-advisedly traded after a disappointing first year of the contract. We do still have Warren Foegele though, so there's that. Sadly, we're short on decent right shot defencemen.

Summer 2021
Devin Shore - $700K - Played 47 mediocre games in Year 2, although always around the team. One hell of a cheerleader though.
Mike Smith - $2.2MM - "Injured" for his second season. Still baffling why he got a two year deal given that he was 73 when he signed this.
Slater Koekkoek - $925K - Absent for entire second season with some mental health challenges. We did get a big 19 games out of him in the first season, which was one more than he played for us the year before in earning that two-year deal. For me, the Oilers highlight will always be Ken Holland saying he couldn't acquire more players at the deadline just in case Slater Koekkoek returned from injury before the playoffs...

Summer 2022
Brad Malone - $762.5K - Just a guy, but we get more of him next year. Played 10 NHL games for the Oilers in Year 1, going 0-0-0 and -4
Calvin Pickard - $762.5K. Third string goalie with NHL past. Might block prospects in that spot if we had any worth mentioning.
Greg McKegg - $762.5K - 30 year old journeyman center with an NHL past who will get another year on the Condors. So far not a sniff with the Oilers.
Kailer Yamamoto - $3.1MM - possibly someone the team moves this summer, although it might cost us to move him given the size of that contract and Holland's decidedly poor negotiating skills.

Summer 2023
Derek Ryan - Hopefully goes better than 90+% of the above deals. The record sure ain't great though so it shouldn't surprise anyone if he's retired or under-performing in 2024-25.

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Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: Rocksteady on Tue, 13 June 2023 13:21
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 13 June 2023 13:31
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: smyth260 on Tue, 13 June 2023 13:48
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: Adam on Tue, 13 June 2023 14:03
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: Kr55 on Tue, 13 June 2023 23:48
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: Steve on Wed, 14 June 2023 15:10
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: oilfan94 on Tue, 13 June 2023 13:50
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: Kr55 on Tue, 13 June 2023 14:00
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 13 June 2023 15:05
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: Adam on Tue, 13 June 2023 15:15
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 13 June 2023 15:28
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: clutchlikeeberle on Tue, 13 June 2023 15:57
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 13 June 2023 16:00
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: inverno76 on Tue, 13 June 2023 16:47
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 13 June 2023 16:48
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: inverno76 on Tue, 13 June 2023 17:01
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 13 June 2023 18:15
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: inverno76 on Tue, 13 June 2023 16:35
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: clutchlikeeberle on Tue, 13 June 2023 17:45
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: Adam on Wed, 14 June 2023 00:41
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: inverno76 on Wed, 14 June 2023 08:32
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: Adam on Wed, 14 June 2023 10:44
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: inverno76 on Wed, 14 June 2023 08:41
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: Rocksteady on Tue, 13 June 2023 16:02
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 13 June 2023 16:09
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: inverno76 on Tue, 13 June 2023 16:38
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 14 June 2023 08:37
Re: Derek Ryan Re-signs with the Oilers	By: Skookum Jim on Tue, 13 June 2023 22:43
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