 kungpaobenji27
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Registered: August 2003
Location: Irving, Texas
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| stemhovlichski wrote on Wed, 17 May 2023 22:46 |
| Adam wrote on Wed, 17 May 2023 16:32 |
A couple thoughts:
1) why would they vote down an arena with no public funds? That seemed to me a pretty good deal for the city. I don't know why it even had to be referendumed - just seems like something designed for any large project to be NIMBYed out of existence.
2) I don't give a flying...friend...about another Canadian team. It's just one more group for me to hate. I don't care if it stays in Arizona, or if some other city in the US gets it. I'll never understand why so many Canadian fans are so up in arms about warmer places getting hockey teams, or about what the attendance is for teams that they otherwise don't care about. It doesn't really bother me at all.
I do think the University rink is a bit of a joke though...at least they don't have the curtained off dressing rooms any more.
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Tempe development info: https://kjzz.org/content/1844391/what-tempe-voters-need-know -about-props-301-302-303-coyotes-arena-and-entertainment
Looks like Tempe voted on facts not fantasy. They have Proposition votes in the States because the public believes in democracy and holds their politicians accountable to the point they can recall their elected officials if they feel the need. You want the job, you do what the public expects of you right or wrong. Spending public money on private deals makes much less sense in AZ where income tax is low and any losses would have to made up with property and/or sales tax increases which are political suicide with the retirement population.
Edmonton has had mayors and councils who made downtown Edmonton easy for big business and developers to have their way. The Oilers have a sweetheart deal of an arena. Katz Group doesn't have to compete with Northlands anymore because the City nuked that organization. Qualico is developing the Station Lands as fast as possible right now too. Property taxes keep going up to the limit to pay for it all too. Mandel also worked hard to shut down the Municipal Airport here so big buildings could go up up up. There's never really been a public accounting of the true cost of the arena here, so we don't know if it's been a good deal or not. Edmonton City Centre is a ghost mall, downtown is a zombie apocalypse, the area around the arena is a set for Breaking Bad, but, hey, if you were watching the playoffs you saw what a great deal a condo in Ice District is for $850k including parking and a couple of Oilers' tickets thrown in. I hope downtown and area revitalizes once the developments start filling up, but for now it's depressing.
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To dig deeper into the Arizona situation....
Local labor unions spent 2 million in marketing to reject the Tempe deal out of not getting any work commitments from the Coyotes/NHL regarding this project.
The Coyotes spent around 250K in marketing to solicit a "yes"...while arriving late to the party whereas their counterparts got a head start months in advance.
I can't really blame locals (citizens, businesses, public workers) if they're tired of getting bait & switched by this crappy organization along with the fallout of the Glendale situation as well.
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