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 Adam
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Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 19 May 2023 11:32 |
| CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 19 May 2023 11:05 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 19 May 2023 10:07 |
Now I know you aren't a real Oilers fan and just come here to troll.
Trading Drai or McD is a trade you lose 100 out of 100. There is no package out there you can get worth what he does. He only makes 8.5 mill so he's probably 4 mill underpaid. Pretending that another team can give you several roster players that maybe make you better (which I don't believe), those guys are going to me making MORE than what Leon makes.
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If my story arc on Oilfans is a 20 year long troll job culminating in a one season too soon trade of Draisaitl, I deserve to be in a troll hall of fame.
Sadly RDO, I'm not a troll and will continue having to pay admission to any HOF I walk into. I like challenging ideas and having my ideas challenged. I do not accept the modern notion that nonconformance to an established narrative is an attack on individuals who hold that perspective.
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Well if you aren't a troll then no offense but suggesting you trade Leon is a really stupid idea.
Successful teams need good centers. The Oilers have arguable the 2 best in the world on their team. Leon is a guarantee 50+ goal 110+ pt, in his sleep who is great on faceoffs, can play all special teams, drives the play pus he has size. Whatever package you get, will never replace that. Plus like I said, he's probably 4 mill underpaid. So not only will you lose the trade talent wise, you also lose the value contract he has.
The Oilers wouldn't be looking for picks and prospects, they would want legit, top 6 roster players. So let's say they swap out Leon for some other teams center and a top 6 winger. Whoever those 2 are, they might equal scoring wise what Leon by himself will put up but in all likelihood, they will make more combined than what Leon makes. So you would be paying more for 2 guys that one 1 can give you plus the 2 probably don't do it as well or produce as much. No team that is looking to add Leon is going to gut their top line so you are probably getting their version of Nuge, a underperforming top 6 center and another winger. Makes no sense.
If you want a big shake up, the guy to trade is Nurse. I am a fan of Nurse. I don't think trading him is a good idea but that is a guy who if you traded him, you probably could get a pretty good dman back plus something else. The salary for the 2 pieces would be on par or less and the drop off in play probably wouldn't be as much. As an example. If there was another Ekholm out there available, the drop off in play would be as much as trading away Leon.
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Let's play devil's advocate here.
If you're trading Nurse - what are you getting for him? I'd suggest coming off that last playoffs, all you can get is cap relief. Replacing what he brings without spending a huge amount of money is difficult and there's no one in the system who's going to step in to his shoes. It's unlikely that the Oilers could win a Nurse trade and it would go down in a long line of trades where the Oilers take a valuable asset and find a way to reduce the value down to next to nothing (or in a couple of cases actually nothing, and in a couple other cases like Zack Kassian WORSE than nothing). I expect we WILL see the Oilers continue to trade low this summer, potentially paying a team to take Yamamoto off our hands. To do so with Nurse would be ridiculous though - you'd get next to nothing back and you would just have yet ANOTHER hole to fill. So keep him, and just curse Holland every two weeks for signing him to a ridiculous deal. And maybe try to find someone who can help our feeble GM with contract negotiations so that doesn't happen again.
If you're trading Draisaitl with two years left on his deal coming off his best season ever and a playoffs where he was dominant for much of it, the haul you could get back should be enormous. Selling high is not a bad strategy for players - they're depreciating assets and they are unpredictable. An injury or an off-season or even a challenging couple weeks in the playoffs and their value can be shook easily. There is some logic, if you think that A) the Oilers aren't likely to win the Cup next year and B) if we don't win a Cup, Draisaitl isn't going to re-sign, to maximize on the asset while we still can. In a year's time if we're canvassing the market, GMs are going to assume we NEED to move on from him, and they would only be guaranteed one more year with him, so that will temper what they're willing to pay. Trading him right now is probably maxing out value on him - we could potentially bring back another superstar with more term on his contract, as well as picks or prospects.
All that said, I wouldn't like to see the Oilers trade Draisaitl this summer for two reasons:
1) I still have an ember of hope that the team can win. I think 97 & 29 make it all possible if we get any goaltending at all, and if we get a little contributions from the rest of the team.
2) Our management team is a joke and doesn't know how to make a trade where we win. Holland's actually said he doesn't think you CAN win a trade, and that it would be a bad thing in the long run if you did get big wins. With that clown show at the helm, attempting an early Draisaitl trade would be a bleeping train wreck. We just can't risk it. We're better off spending the summer coaxing those old coots like Nicholson and Holland on to ice floes and pushing them off in to the sunset.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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