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 Kr55
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| Ragnarok73 wrote on Tue, 16 May 2023 15:59 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 16 May 2023 15:20 |
Where the hell was Nuge in the year end interviews? I want to know why he was so lousy in these playoffs. Was he hurt or just not show up?
Am I being super critical of Nuge? Absolutely I am. But he's the guy who's performance these playoffs bothered me the most. WHy?
- He's been an Oiler for 12 yrs now.
- For 12 yrs, he's been one of their key guys, he's supposedly one of their leaders. Guys like McD and Leon mention him by name as critical to the teams success.
- For 12 yrs, he was the guy who every year they would talk to Nuge after they were done and he would talk about his disappointment, how he wants to win, how he's tired of losing, how the team needs to improve, how he needs to improve.
- Supposedly after last years defeat to the AVs, it light a fire under Nuge, he rededicated himself and he had his best season ever by a mile.
- Nuge has a massive following among the fan base. In my opinion, many think he is almost touchable and can do no wrong. Many wanted him to retire as an Oiler so he got his retirement deal.
- In my opinion, after McD and Leon, he is the 3rd guy offensively and key to the Oilers secondary scoring behind the big 2.
- Unless you are an elite player, generally the playoffs favor vets due to their experience. He's 30, he should be in his prime playoff years where he still has enough game left in his body combined with experience to excel and be a difference maker in the playoffs.
I know what Nuge is. He's not a line driver, never really has been and never will be. He is a very good, complimentary player but the Oilers don't need him to drive a line. They have 2 of probably the very best line drivers in the NHL. All they needed Nuge to do was do what he did all year. Be that elite complimentary guy. Get your touches, set up Leon or McD and get into spots and bury it. Just like you did all year. I fully expected it to be McD, Leon and Nuge as 1, 2, 3 in scoring in the NHL as I expected the Oilers to go a long way. I never saw him taking 10 games to score his first goal. I never saw him being basically invisible for most of the playoffs. So I want to know why because I firmly believe that if Nuge wasn't as bad as he was, even with the goaltending, the Oilers would have won and be in the West Finals right now.
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You are pushing a narrative that lack of scoring is a big reason why the Oil are done for the season. No. It's lack of effective defensive play that did the Oil in. We saw foreshadowing of this in the first round series vs the Kings when the Oil blew leads in games 1 and 3 to lose in OT. In the series vs the Knights, the Oil scored first in all games except for the last but couldn't hold the leads they got in games 1, 3, and 5.
If they had more solid blueliners in their line-up, they should have beaten the Kings and Knights in 5 games or less each before going to the West final. Instead, they made too many games a struggle because they couldn't defend their zone consistently enough. Defence wins championships, and the Oil don't have enough of it in their line-up. If Holland can't fix it, then next year could very well be more of the same.
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The offense was a problem too. Our inability to push offensively with 2 lines killed us against Vegas. Especially since Woodcroft didn't seem that interested in matching lines and trying to get our top guys again from the opponents top guys. Most recently our pitiful Nuge-Drai-Yams line (nice one Woodcroft, no one couldn't have predicted how that would go) got scored on twice. Instead of driving offense that line was stuck in our zone making weak plays, but also still managed to not help the D out defensively.
Who got wrecked the most among D in this series 5v5:
Ceci: 1 GF, 8 GA, 40.05% xGF
Nurse: 2 GF, 7 GA, 57.49% xGF
Ekholm: 5 GF, 5 GA, 53.46% xGF
Bouchard: 4 GF, 6 GA, 58.97% xGF
Kulak: 3 GF, 2 GA, 59.35% xGF
Desharnais: 2 GF, 2 GA, 48.87% xGF
Broberg: 1 GF, 0 GA, 37.77% xGF
One guy stands out. I'd call Nurse a bit unlucky here, also consider his zone starts are 35%. Nurse carried a huge defensive load and was almost 60% in xGF. Zero lucky getting saves or sh% for. Ceci, on the other hand, disaster, all season honestly, visually and on paper. This is exactly what lots of people thought we were getting when we signed him. I dunno what he was on last year, but he better start taking it again or he needs to go. I can't see a groin injury as an excuse to be always way out of position and not even motioning to come back. That's between the ears. Maybe he wants to live up to his draft pedigree or something like when Chia would have traded him for Hall and he is thinking about the offensive gambles, but he needs to cut that out.
Rest of the gang, meh, I think a lot of guys in this series got goalied both ways, No saves for, loads of saves against. Only 1 was truly awful IMO, and Broberg clearly was not ready for that game 5, but didn't expect much different.
Aside from D though, to me the biggest issues were goaltending and not being able to create 2 offensive lines. We could have survived our D if we could have put a more consistent offensive push, but just didn't have the horses at the worst possible time with Hyman and Kane broken. We still created things and we probably win if LB stayed in net, but it was one and done stuff with McDavid and Drai doing almost everything. Needed more against Hill.
[Updated on: Tue, 16 May 2023 16:33]
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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