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 Adam
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Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
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| oilfan94 wrote on Mon, 15 May 2023 09:37 |
| CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 15 May 2023 10:55 |
| oilfan94 wrote on Mon, 15 May 2023 08:38 |
| Adam wrote on Mon, 15 May 2023 08:43 |
Well, Vegas and Seattle should at least kill the stupid trope that the only way to be successful is to build through the draft…
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Hey, an expansion draft is still a draft.
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There were people here said the Oilers would have been better off moving and starting fresh as an expansion team a decade ago.
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I think that holds true for a lot of teams. Expansion teams have the ability to start their salary cap from scratch, a luxury never afforded to any other team. Plus the expansion draft rules give a team so much depth on their roster, which is the biggest key to winning. However, Seattle and Vegas also have the advantage of attracting more free agents, whereas an expansion team in Edmonton in say 2013 or 2014 likely would not have.
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Both of those teams have been savvy about their free agent signings though - they haven't made a lot of mistakes, and they've both signed some guys who were undervalued and got great mileage from them. A guy like Jonathan Marchessault was clearly a solid player before he got to Las Vegas, but some of those old hockey guy ideas that he wasn't ever going to be big enough made it so they actually pushed Vegas towards taking him.
Also - while Vegas has had some decent draft picks, they've decided that they are in a window to win and have sold high on some of those guys in order to keep the team very competitive. At the point when it seems they have a great team, if someone else who can make it better becomes available, they're in on that deal. They may win a Cup this year because of it.
I think it stands in pretty stark contrast to the way the Oilers have been managed. Not only are they clearly more willing to play loose around the salary cap rules in a way the Oilers aren't, but they have gone and acquired Pacioretty, Stone, and Pietrangelo and Eichel and kept building to keep themselves in the hunt. If someone doesn't fit, they haven't been sentimental about it. They just move on.
I mean, here's their top two rounds for their entire time in the NHL:
2017
Cody Glass - 6th overall - traded to Nashville for Nolan Patrick (currently injured for the season)
Nick Suzuki - 13th overall - traded to Montreal for Max Pacioretty
Erik Brannstrom - 15th overall - traded to Ottawa for Mark Stone
Nicholas Hague - 34th overall - Currently with the team 223 games in to NHL career
Jake Leschyshyn - 62nd overall - Lost on waivers
2018
1st round pick - traded for Tomas Tatar
Ivan Morozov - 61st overall - still in system in the AHL
2019
Peyton Krebs - 17th overall - traded in Eichel deal
2nd round pick - traded for Tatar
Second 2nd round pick traded with Tatar for Pacioretty
2020
Brendan Brisson - 29th overall
2nd round pick traded - for Stone with Brannstrom
Second 2nd round pick traded for Alec Martinez
3rd 2nd round pick traded for Robyn Lehner
2021
1st round pick traded for Alec Martinez
Zachary Dean - 30th overall - Traded in Feb for Ivan Barbashev
Daniil Chayka - 38th overall - In the system with AHL team
2nd round pick traded in a weird series of trades for Janmark and Nick Desimone (who was dealt before ever playing a game for Vegas to NYR for Brett Howden).
2022
1st round pick traded for Jack Eichel (with Krebs and Alex Tuch)
Matyas Sapovaliv - 48th overall - in the system, played in CHL this year
Not only did they pick up a whole slew of extra picks at the expansion draft, but as people have become redundant, they've got picks back. Colin Miller got them a 2nd and a 5th, Nikita Gusev for a 2nd and a 3rd. They even got a third round pick for Ryan Reaves...which is amazing considering what we had to give up to GET RID OF Zack Kassian.
They've already dealt away their 2nd, 4th & 5th rounders for this summer, and you know what? I doubt they are losing any sleep over it. It won't shock me if the guy they pick this year never sees a game in a Knights uniform either. It stands in stark contrast to the Oilers where they get all excited for potential with draft picks but generally don't look to move anyone until they've proven that they're below the lofty expectations that had been built up around them. We're so worried about losing a trade on a prospect that we'd rather slam them in the media 50 times before dealing them and getting nothing than rolling the dice and trading while their value is high for someone who can help right now.
Honestly, the Oilers have had McDavid longer than the Knights have been in the league. This is the THIRD time that the Knights have been in the semi-finals (with one trip so far to the finals and an excellent chance at them again this year). McDavid's been there once and had to have a record-setting points pace in order to get there.
We should have been taking a similar approach and yet...
2018
Evan Bouchard - on the roster (and very good)
Ryan McLeod - on the roster in 3rd line role
2019
Philip Broberg - on the roster as 7th dman
Raphael Lavoie - in the system (AHL)
2020
Dylan Holloway - in the system (AHL with cup of coffee in NHL)
2nd traded to Det for Athanasiou
2021
Xavier Bourgault - in the system (AHL)
2nd traded to Det for Athanasiou
2022
Reid Schaefer - traded for Matthias Ekholm (along with 2023 1st rd pick)
1st rd pick traded to get rid of Kassian (for the later pick that became Schaefer)
2nd traded to Mtl for Kulak
It's not quite as impressive...
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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