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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823176 is a reply to message #823175 ]	Thu, 11 May 2023 12:30

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Adam wrote on Thu, 11 May 2023 12:03

Dragon_Matt wrote on Thu, 11 May 2023 09:57

I get what you're saying, and agree to an extent. There is a benefit of bigger players though. if two players are just as good, the taller one has an advantage of reach. A smaller player can't be AS good as other players. They need to be better, more tenacious, more aggressive.
Arguably it's the Yamamoto vs PJ conversation we had all last year. Which would you rather have on the oil right now, seeing they're still about the same level of productivity?
Kailer has 1 goal and 3 assists 14 PIMS
Jesse played 7 games and is injured now, has 1 assist 0 PIMS and is one of the best advanced stats players.

The best player of all-time was 6'0, and maybe 170 lbs at the point where he was scoring 200 points a season.

It's not an either/or option. The Devils have the roster that they have, and it includes some fantastic players who happen to not be giants (so do the Hurricanes for that matter). It's not like they can just decide to magically get another Jack Hughes but bigger.

This is the same with the Oilers with Hall, Nuge, Eberle - Gregor would say the same thing. The Oilers are too small. We need bigger talent! But we can't make Eberle a giant, and as we saw when we dealt him, we couldn't trade him for an equivalent player. Ditto Hall for that matter. Both deals got a bigger player and both deals made the Oilers worse.

Maybe one of the best examples of a team trying to do this is the Briere/Gratton swap. The Sabres got the MUCH bigger player and got much worse for the trade.

However, all that is a sideshow to the actual argument and moving the goalposts. We aren't saying who would be better - Actual Size Connor McDavid versus Giant Connor McDavid.

The argument that was made was that the size of the Devils is why they didn't crush the Rangers in Round 1 (despite the fact that the Rangers were a 100+ point team who was good to begin with and maybe had the best trade deadline of any playoff team) and that the reason they're losing to the Hurricanes is because they're smaller (despite the fact the Hurricanes had the second best regular season of any team).

Well, that doesn't hold up. I mean, the Devils WON the first round. And in the second, the size differences between the teams are negligible.

If you want to suggest that the Hurricanes are more skilled or more experienced...those are arguments I can understand. Devils not big enough to beat them? That's just not holding water.

If you are going to use Gretzky as part of your argument, you can at least get a couple of things right. He was 185 lbs, not 170. Go look it up if you don't believe me. Then look up how big the bulk of the Oilers top 6 was besides Gretzky. Now I was a kid in the early 80's so I don't remember all the guys that played in the Oilers top 6 but I do know these guys made up the big chunk of the Oilers top 6.
Anderson 190
Messier, 210
Kurri 194
Gretzky 185

These guys made up the main 4 of the Oilers top 6 from early in the 80's. Then came:
Krushelnysky 200
Tikkanen 190

Now I get it, the game has changed since then but saying Gretzky put up 200 pts at 170 is 100% untrue. We also didn't do it flanked by a bunch of guys in the 170's.

You are purposefully focusing on turning the debate into it being some people think small players can't do it. That isn't the case. Smaller players can do it but the topic is the belief and the apparent evidence that many people think is there that when you have a lot of smaller players playing together, they have a more difficult time.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 23 May 2023 09:04
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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 23 May 2023 11:24
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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: oilfan94 on Wed, 24 May 2023 19:33
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: NetBOG on Tue, 23 May 2023 20:31
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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 24 May 2023 21:47
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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 24 May 2023 11:03
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