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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823170 is a reply to message #823168 ]	Thu, 11 May 2023 10:09

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Adam wrote on Thu, 11 May 2023 09:41

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 11 May 2023 08:38

I worded it poorly. I don't sit down and watch a Devils game as intently as I do an Oilers game. When I watch an Oilers game, that's my focus for the 2.5-3 hours. Am I sitting down watching every single minute of the Canes- Devils game? No I am not.

When I watch the Devils games, I see a team loaded with speedy, skilled, smaller forwards unable to get to the net where goals are scored as often as they were able too in the regular season. They aren't getting goalied, they aren't missing tons of their top 9. They are being kept to the perimeter. Maybe in the parts of the game that I don't watch because I am doing something for short spurts, that isn't the case. But when I watch them play, their small guys can't get anything done.

Believe whatever the hell you want. I see what I see and I really don't give a crap about your opinion.

I'm glad to hear that my arguments, no matter how persuasive, don't have any negative impact on you. Nor should they! It's just hockey!

However, I just hate letting these tropes sit. It's the same stupid argument all the Oilers pundits say about anyone shorter than 6'2 - no matter how many times we've seen good smaller players thrive in the league too. The fact is, if size just eliminated skill then every team would have three Vinnie Desharnais's each. Skill is just more important and tenacity isn't correlated to size.

The Hurricanes are slightly bigger at forward and slightly smaller on defence. The overall team size difference is negligible. The Hurricanes ARE a really good team, so it's not shocking that they're winning against the Devils and that the Devils can't have their way with them every game. And having proclaimed the Devils dead in Round One based on their size only to have them come back and win, you would think should impact some of those assumptions in Round Two...You'd think that people MIGHT start considering if there's other factors at play...like goaltending for instance. Their rookie goalie went from unbeatable to allowing 5+ goals a game...that seems notable. He's big though, so it's baffling...

I am always curious though - how many big players does a team need in order to be considered big enough by a Bob Stauffer or Jason Gregor or RDOilersfan? If they add one more top-9 guy who's 6'6 and 230 is that enough? Three more 6'2 guys? Is it one too many guys at 175 lbs? Or is a team with Hischier and Hughes just never going to be good enough because the two of them are too small for the pundits?

In my opinion, I think every line needs at least 1 guy hovering around the 200lbs range that has some for lack of a better word "grit" in his game. When I say grit, I am not talking about Lucic, I am talking about guys who of course have some skill but who go hard into the corners, battle hard for the pucks and go hard to the net. As the game gets more skilled, I 100% understand there is more room in the game for smaller guys but watch every single game and you will see there is still a TON of play in the corners, lots behind the net and lots of action right in front of the goal in that 10ft range. Like him or not, on the panel Eakins mentioned I think he was given stats that said something like 70-80% of the game is played along the wall. I believe it. There is guys battling for pucks all the time right along the wall.

Can lighter guys win puck battles along the wall and go to the net? Absolutely they can and they d. But when the puck goes into the corner and it's a 50-50 battle, 1 guy is 175 and the other is 200. It's going to be way harder for the lighter guy to win over the heavier guy. When there is a rebound kicked into the slot and there is a 175 forward vs a 200 dman, it's going to be very hard for the 175 to win that battle. Can they do it? Sure they can. They can do it by quickness and skill and it works sometimes. But it's easier for the 200lns guy to win. They have to do less. In the playoffs when the refs let them play more, in my opinion, it favors the heavier guys more times than not because they are allowed to give more shots and lean on guys more without getting called.

I have watched many, many, many hockey games in my life both regular season and playoffs and every single year I see lighter guys who have lots of success in the regular season, then in the playoffs, it's far less. So if it's not size related then I can't figure out whatelse it could be because I don't think it because these smaller guys just stop trying or become bad players for the playoffs.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Kr55 on Tue, 16 May 2023 10:34
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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Kr55 on Fri, 19 May 2023 00:44
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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Skookum Jim on Fri, 19 May 2023 13:16
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 19 May 2023 13:17
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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Kr55 on Sun, 21 May 2023 11:01
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Adam on Sun, 21 May 2023 16:14
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Kr55 on Mon, 22 May 2023 20:58
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: CrusaderPi on Mon, 22 May 2023 21:01
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Kr55 on Mon, 22 May 2023 21:34
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 23 May 2023 09:04
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Kr55 on Tue, 23 May 2023 09:36
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 23 May 2023 11:24
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Adam on Tue, 23 May 2023 12:39
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: oilfan94 on Wed, 24 May 2023 19:33
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: NetBOG on Tue, 23 May 2023 20:31
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: kungpaobenji27 on Tue, 23 May 2023 20:57
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 24 May 2023 09:00
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 24 May 2023 10:07
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Adam on Wed, 24 May 2023 10:16
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Kr55 on Wed, 24 May 2023 10:24
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 24 May 2023 10:37
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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Kr55 on Wed, 24 May 2023 15:38
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Adam on Wed, 24 May 2023 16:08
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: kungpaobenji27 on Wed, 24 May 2023 16:15
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 24 May 2023 16:16
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 24 May 2023 15:41
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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Kr55 on Wed, 24 May 2023 17:19
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: kungpaobenji27 on Wed, 24 May 2023 20:15
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 24 May 2023 21:47
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: kungpaobenji27 on Thu, 25 May 2023 12:25
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: kungpaobenji27 on Wed, 24 May 2023 10:51
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 24 May 2023 11:03
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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Adam on Wed, 24 May 2023 14:22
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 24 May 2023 21:16
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Kr55 on Wed, 24 May 2023 21:47
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Adam on Wed, 24 May 2023 22:58
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: smyth260 on Thu, 25 May 2023 00:04
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Kr55 on Thu, 25 May 2023 00:22
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Mike on Thu, 25 May 2023 08:02
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 25 May 2023 08:46
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Dragon_Matt on Thu, 25 May 2023 09:33
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: CrusaderPi on Thu, 25 May 2023 10:17
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 25 May 2023 10:25
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Dragon_Matt on Thu, 25 May 2023 11:16
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Kr55 on Thu, 25 May 2023 11:34
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 25 May 2023 11:54
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Skookum Jim on Thu, 25 May 2023 15:38
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Kr55 on Thu, 25 May 2023 12:18
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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: CrusaderPi on Thu, 25 May 2023 13:09
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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Kr55 on Thu, 25 May 2023 20:53
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Kr55 on Thu, 25 May 2023 21:09
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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Kr55 on Mon, 29 May 2023 19:20
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: CrusaderPi on Mon, 29 May 2023 19:51
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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 31 May 2023 09:26
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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: CrusaderPi on Fri, 02 June 2023 08:38
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: CrusaderPi on Sun, 04 June 2023 06:45
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Kr55 on Sun, 04 June 2023 15:44
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: CrusaderPi on Mon, 05 June 2023 11:42
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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Kr55 on Mon, 05 June 2023 21:08
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Mike on Tue, 06 June 2023 07:20
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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Mike on Wed, 07 June 2023 06:10
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 08 June 2023 09:15
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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: oilfan94 on Wed, 14 June 2023 10:27
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 14 June 2023 11:00
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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Kr55 on Wed, 14 June 2023 11:22
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 14 June 2023 11:33
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Kr55 on Wed, 14 June 2023 11:36
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 14 June 2023 11:52
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 14 June 2023 16:25
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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 15 June 2023 09:42
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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 15 June 2023 11:06
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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: CrusaderPi on Thu, 15 June 2023 11:49
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Adam on Thu, 15 June 2023 13:32
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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Adam on Thu, 15 June 2023 13:54
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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Mike on Thu, 15 June 2023 19:44
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: CrusaderPi on Fri, 16 June 2023 08:39
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: kungpaobenji27 on Fri, 16 June 2023 09:15
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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Kr55 on Tue, 20 June 2023 22:50
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: kungpaobenji27 on Wed, 21 June 2023 11:54
Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs!	By: Kr55 on Wed, 21 June 2023 12:12
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