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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 15:31 |
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Adam wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 13:03 | One thing I think is interesting is how little criticism we've seen Bjugstad get compared to McLeod. Here's the stats lines:
Bjugstad - 4 GP - 0-0-0, even, 0 PIMs, 3 shots, 9 hits, 1 block, 61.3% on faceoffs, 14:25/gm
McLeod - 4 GP - 0-0-0, -1, 0 PIMs, 2 shots, 5 hits, 3 blocks, 47.4% on faceoffs, 14:15/gm
Other than in the faceoff dot, Bjugstad hasn't done a lot more to distinguish himself in any games and I think McLeod's been a lot more noticeable as a puck transporter. I do think the centers are being asked to be certain they're getting back, so I'll give both of these guys a bit of a pass for not crushing more people - even Derek Ryan only has 4 hits, so there is some requirement that if you're not right on top of people you're not just going for the Josh Archibald stat stacking by running in to people long after the puck is gone, or completely ignoring the puck to try to inflict some damage.
I would like to see a little more nose for the net from both those guys though. 5 shots between those guys in almost two hours of game time is not very much.
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Right or wrong, face-offs are a tangible measuring unit that every fan recognizes.
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I never understood why some fans and some in the stats community devalue faceoffs. When you win a faceoff, you get possession immediately. When you are in the defensive zone, its very important to have the puck as soon as possible especially on the PK. You get the puck, you can get it out. In the offensive zone, if you win the draw, you generally can create a scoring chance. So being 14% better on draws is a pretty big deal in my opinion.
Where I think I personally see the difference between Bjugstad and McLeod is by eye, it appears Bjugstad is more in the play where as McLeod always seems to be on the perimeter. Now maybe because of his sure size, it makes Bjugstad look more like he's in there.
For McLeod, you notice his speed. So if he wasn't quite as fast but was doing exactly the same in all the other areas, would a person notice him? My answer is, I doubt it but that is my opinion. I will see McLeod a couple of times again grab the puck and zip around the ice because he's faster than most others but that's all I notice him doing.
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I've seen better faceoff stats that actually can relate back to some measure of success. Overall faceoff stats are just a mess of everything and really eliminate a lot of what the individual center does too because wingers play a big part in a lot of them.
Stats that show things like clean wins, and take into account context like which zone they're happening in and the situation, there are some centers that are able to separate themselves from the pack as guys that execute well in important moments.
Coaches spend a lot of time trying to pick the right guy for a faceoff, lots of plays revolve around the center pulling off a clean win. In a lot of ways it balances out because every coach and the centers put in the effort, and most GM's make sure they have some decent centers. But as soon as any GM/coach decided the effort they have been putting in isn't worth it and decide to just let the chips fall where they may, just letting the other team be the only one that cares, I think they would get eaten up a lot more.
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But the center plays a big part in the faceoffs. If he loses it cleanly, that's a problem. In order to get a winger win, he had to not lose the draw clean and tie the center up to give his wingers a chance to get it.
At the end of the day, if you win the faceoff, you get possession. The more possession you have the better chance you have to defend, get the puck out or create a scoring chance. A center being 14% better at draws especially when every play matters is pretty significant in my opinion.
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