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Re: Treliving & Flames "make a mutual decision" [message #821024 is a reply to message #821015 ]	Mon, 17 April 2023 16:49

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 17 April 2023 14:41

Supposedly the Flames offered a deal to Tre a few times and he declined. I think that signals he and the Owner aren't on the same page. Just my opinion but I don't think Sutter was his choice to hire and I definitely don't think he was his choice to resign. Based on some of the comments from guys like Backlund and Lindholm who were very non-comital about resigning and almost sounded like they won't, I bet there was complaints about Sutter at the end of last year and it's only gotten worse this year in the room.

It's just my opinion but I think the Flames Owner operates how the EIG used too. He wants the team to be in the hunt for the playoffs every season because it's good for business. He's not interested in building a winner because to win, you need star power and usually to get star power, you have to be bad and draft it. So if you have an owner who just wants to operate to be in the hunt every year and wants moves to keep your team mediocre because it's good for business. Then you have a locker room crushing coach forced upon you because he can coach and keep a team "in the hunt" but you know he will cause headaches for you with the players, why would you want to keep that job?

I think that you could be right that A) he and Calgary ownership wasn't on the same page and B) that they were part of hiring and re-signing Sutter. That would certainly irk me if I was the GM, especially if the team was under-performing and there were signs that the coach might be part of the problem.

I disagree on the whole "gotta be bad to build a winner" thing. I think there's a lot of evidence that there's multiple ways to build a winning team, and that being bad doesn't guarantee anything. The Oilers, Sabres and Coyotes all spent a whole bunch of time being miserable teams starting 10-12 years ago and for years after. Two thirds of those teams still aren't in the playoffs and the third one needed to get one of the best players in the history of the game and then still took WAAAAAY too long to get good.

The Bruins haven't been bad since the year they got Seguin - they had no section where they were awful for a long period of time. Tampa hasn't been bad since before the Oilers drafted Taylor Hall. They continue to be good. Lots of teams don't have multi-year swoons, and there's clearly teams that get lots of high draft picks and never pull themselves out of the mud.

On top of that, Calgary hasn't been languishing in obscurity here. They won the division last year. with a 111 point season. They had huge seasons from a couple of forwards, and an all-star campaign from their goalie. They had some big departures, but looked on paper to have replaced them and more when all was said and done.

This year has been a total disaster for them and even this year, looked through a certain lens could have something to do with luck. Their team PDO was the 31st in the league and they had more one goal games than anyone else, and even with that they fell just two points short. I'm not sure that's a team that's at the point where they need to pull the plug and tear everything down and in fact, with the age of their players and the length of their big deals, I'm not sure it's really a great possibility. They have to push to be competitive because they're not trading Kadri or Huberdeau now.

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Treliving & Flames "make a mutual decision"	By: Adam on Mon, 17 April 2023 10:46
Re: Treliving & Flames "make a mutual decision"	By: CrusaderPi on Mon, 17 April 2023 10:52
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Re: Treliving & Flames "make a mutual decision"	By: Dragon_Matt on Mon, 17 April 2023 14:31
Re: Treliving & Flames "make a mutual decision"	By: RDOilerfan on Mon, 17 April 2023 14:41
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