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Adam Messages: 6894
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
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Goose wrote on Thu, 16 March 2023 16:38 |
CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 16 March 2023 15:11 |
Dragon_Matt wrote on Thu, 16 March 2023 16:00 | He would have to surpass Gretz in either points or cup rings.
Even JUST Oilers points, Gretz had 1669 meaning McDavid would have to pass Joe Sakic for 9th alltime at 1641.
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I don't think McDavid would have to match Gretzky's point totals. The 80s were a far easier period for scoring. It would be a fun raw number / analytics / eye test debate arguing if the 215 in 1986 is more impressive than 158 in 2023.
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I know that there are guys out there that have built more robust era adjustment models, but a simple comparison is that McDavid is currently 29% better in terms of points than the 2nd highest player (who also benefits from playing on a PP with McDavid).
Gretzky in 1986 had 52% more points than 2nd place (Mario).
McDavid is undoubtedly the best skater I've ever seen and has an ability to do things at top speed that no other player, probably ever, can do. But I think Gretzky's ability to put up points remains in a stratosphere of it's own, regardless of era.
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It's even more tilted if you look as a comparison versus #3 overall (which is relevant since Mario was a generational talent in his own right). Gretzky was so much better than anyone who played at the same time as him that he truly should be in the conversation for best player in team sports of all-time.
I agree with the 1A/1B thing if McDavid stays and wins some Cups...even if not as many Cups or points. In his favour, the league is harder to score in now, and there's also 11 more teams than in 1988 - that means it's much harder to make the playoffs and win too. He's also had to deal with much worse management, which really isn't his fault.
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