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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #64) [message #819181 is a reply to message #819147 ]	Mon, 06 March 2023 19:08

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Adam wrote on Sun, 05 March 2023 23:45

g2k wrote on Sun, 05 March 2023 06:27

5 years on a goalie with known fragility in confidence made me a bit uncomfortable. I didn’t know much about him other than that.

This off season the local wags will only want to talk about Karlsson though. They will surmise that Oilers are stuck with Campbell and need to let him play through this.

Other than the 2006 Roloson blip, was Tommy Salo our last decent goalie here? I can’t even remember anymore.

Dubnyk showed flashes here, and became really good as soon as he'd shaken the Edmonton dirt off his boots...

Salo's probably the last guy to be in the conversation for Team MVP though...there was a pretty long stretch where the goalies were regularly given the nod through the Ranford/Joseph/Salo era...then Sather left, and goalies have never been given the same priority. Dubnyk is the only one drafted in the first round since Kevin Lowe took over the reins, and other than the Roloson trade, the Oilers haven't done a lot to acquire goalies by other routes besides the draft (usually relatively late picks) or free agency. You've made me curious so let's take a look:

2000-01 - Salo/Gage - both legacy carry-overs.
2001-02 - Salo/Markkanen/Conklin - Markkanen was an overage drafted player in 2001, Conklin signed after his NCAA career ended.
2002-03 - Salo/Markkanen
2003-04 - Salo/Conklin/Markannen - Salo was in full melt-down at this point and was traded late in the year.
2005-06 - Conklin/Markannen/Morrison/Roloson - Morrison was a Sather 7th rd draft pick from 1998. Roloson of course was a deadline acquisition for a first round pick (Trevor Lewis)
2006-07 - Roloson/Markannen
2007-08 - Garon/Roloson - Garon was a free agent signing.
2008-09 - Roloson/Garon/Deslauriers - Deslauriers was a 2nd round pick in 2002
2009-10 - Deslauriers/Khabibulin/Dubnyk - Khabibulin was a free agent signing, but was hurt much of the year then ran in to legal issues. Dubnyk of course was a 1st round pick in 2004
2010-11 - Khabibulin/Dubnyk/Gerber - Gerber was free agent signing.
2011-12 - Dubnyk/Khabibulin
2012-13 - Dubnyk/Khabibulin/Danis - Danis played 4 games between this year and the prior, after signing as a free agent.
2013-14 - Dubnyk/Scrivens/Bryzgalov/Fasth/Labarbera/Bachman - If you have to ask the question...Season started with Dubs backed by Labarbera (free agent signing). With both struggling behind the Eakins swarm, MacT signed free agent Bryzgalov who posted not bad numbers considering but was hated by the media from the moment he arrived. So then in one fateful day he dealt Dubnyk to Nashville and traded a 3rd to LA for Scrivens. 6 weeks later he dealt Bryzgalov to Minny (for the pick that became Lagesson!) and traded another 3rd and a 5th to Anaheim for Fasth. Box checked. Oilers goaltending was set for the next generation. Oh yeah, and free agent signing Richard Bachman got a cup of tea too.
2014-15 - Scrivens/Fasth/Bachman/Brossoit/Bunz - Trouble in paradise as everyone struggles but we see the first game for Brossoit (acquired for Ladi Smid a year earlier) and the only NHL action for Tyler Bunz (Oilers draft pick)
2015-16 - Talbot/Nilsson/Brossoit - Talbot was acquired from NYR for a 2nd & 3rd round picks and a swap of 7th rounders - probably Chiarelli's best trade as Oilers GM. Nilsson was acquired for Liam Coughlin from Chicago.
2016-17 - Talbot/Brossoit/Gustavsson - Gustavsson was a terrible UFA signing.
2017-18 - Talbot/Brossoit/Montoya - Montoya acquired for conditional draft pick.
2018-19 - Koskinen/Talbot/Stolarz - Koskinen was signed out of Europe. Stolarz was acquired for Talbot, but played just enough so that the Flyers got a higher draft pick meeting the conditions. Koskinen anointed the goalie of the future after 20+ starts and given a long-term deal.
2019-20 - Smith/Koskinen - Smith signed as UFA
2020-21 - Smith/Koskinen/Skinner - first game for Stu Skinner, drafted in the 3rd round in 2017.
2021-22 - Koskinen/Smith/Skinner
2022-23 - Skinner/Campbell - Campbell signed as UFA.

So in the last 20-odd years, here's how it shakes out:

Drafted - Gage (pre-Lowe), Markkanen, Morrison (pre-Lowe), Deslauriers, Dubnyk, Bunz, Skinner
UFA Signing - Garon, Khabibulin, Gerber, Danis, Labarbera, Bachman, Bryzgalov, Gustavsson, Smith, Campbell
European FA Signing - Nilsson, Koskinen
College FA Signing - Conklin
Trade - Sale (pre-Lowe), Roloson, Scrivens, Fasth, Brossoit, Talbot, Montoya, Stolarz,

The UFA of all stripes have been pretty mediocre. And drafting - we've selected 15 goalies in the Lowe-era, of which 5 have played in the NHL (and Bunz is an asterisk on that list, since he saw 20 minutes and got lit up for 3 goals and a career 9.00 GAA.

I think the team just has adopted the old Bobby Clarke/Philadelphia Flyers attitude that you just need an adequate goalie and so they haven't spent enough time scouting or developing one, and they've been loathe to spend any assets to get a good one, even though the two we did give up anything notable for - Roloson and Talbot - are probably some of the best goalies on this list.

And you're right on Salo being the most notable in all this time. He was the starting netminder for 5.5 years. Talbot is the closest to that with 3 of his 4 years here playing the bulk of the games. Other than that, it's just been an endless rotation of suckiness.

My oh my, what a wasteland. Some of those names made me chuckle. Bryz I had totally forgotten about. I was hoping the Oilers had unlocked something with Garon. A diamond in the rough. I had belief. I was wrong. I recall meeting Montoya at physio when doing rehab on my detached bicep muscle. He wanted to get some things worked on without Oilers knowledge prior to camp that season. Apparently not uncommon according to the therapist. The Conklin blocker bounce when MacTavish pulled him in favour of Morrison for the shoot out. You could smell the burned tire coming out of the TV back then. But then we drafted Hall and produced Oil Change. And oddly the tire fire didn’t extinguish.

#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam #ownerisacreep

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