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Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL [message #819494 is a reply to message #819487 ]	Mon, 13 March 2023 11:17

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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 13 March 2023 08:28

Adam wrote on Mon, 13 March 2023 01:31

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 13 March 2023 00:28

Adam wrote on Mon, 13 March 2023 00:23

CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 12 March 2023 15:18

Adam wrote on Sun, 12 March 2023 14:16

It speaks to whatever happened. It isn't likely something minor or trivial. If it was, someone would complain about the unfairness of it all...

It'll be interesting to see how far it follows these players. The goalie is at the end of his junior career and undrafted. Likely the end of the road for him anyhow. Wanner signed a deal with the Oilers though. I wonder where he ends up. The Oilers are about the least concerned organization with reputations though so we'll see.

Strong disagree. It speaks to how worried the organization is about the backlash. That is no longer correlated with the action. No one complains about people being screwed now, except lone voices on ignored corners of the internet, lest the fear that motivates an organization land on them.

Vigilante justice usually works like this.

This isn't vigilante justice. The players did something. They got caught or reported. They accepted a significant punishment. At any point if they feel they've been wronged, they all have a voice and people would be interested to hear what happened, but none have said anything. The coach and GM have also said nothing.

The law isn't the only justice consequence out there for people's actions. People probably should know that.

vig·i·lan·te
noun
a member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority, typically because the legal agencies are thought to be inadequate.

It is the literal definition of vigilante justice.

It is telling that you choose not to understand that and you think silence is a sign of guilt. The mob does usually think they're entitled to act as they do.

You seem to believe that someone has only done wrong if the police charge them with a crime and they’re convicted. That’s obviously not the case though. There’s a million examples we can use. Your employer can fire you for anything they believe brings their company in to disrepute. If you’re lucky they’ll say it is without cause and they’ll severance you, but depending on what you did and what your employment contract allows the employer to do or prohibits you from doing, you might not even get that.

Hell, in hockey there’s a couple guys who are non-cops who are constantly handing out punishments without even a chance for appeal most of the time.

One’s actions can always have consequences even if your actions are deemed not to be criminal.

I don't think suspensions should be handed out preemptively because a group of people are carrying pitchforks around the internet. I don't think people should be punished because of an accusation. I don't think people should be punished because of an investigation. And I certainly don't think people should be punished because they choose to keep their mouths shut.

I am well aware actions have consequences, but that's not what this happening here and that's not what we've seen in the (hockey) world for the last number of years. In this case, and many others like it, action and reaction have been decoupled because of the moralizing mob. You're right though, people can be fired because of actions that happen outside of work. I'm honestly surprised the coach and GM are only being fired here because actions have consequences. Something not even one's own actions, but we all have to be ok with it. Lest the mob notice us.

Coach and GM didn't get fired, they got a slap on the wrist.

The team did investigate - they were about 10 days from the incident to their decision to suspend the players. They waited for the police's conclusion to finalize how long that suspension was.

That's not actually uncommon. If something happens that could be disruptive to a workplace, you might find yourself suspended pending the results of an investigation. Typically you'd be on leave with pay for that period. Then they can decide what to do based on whatever they learn, and they don't need you to be charged with a crime to decide to discipline or dismiss you.

Don't do crappy things is probably a good decision, because not only can it potentially have legal consequences but it can cost you opportunities to advance professionally or socially too. I don't think that's anything new or 'woke'. That's just the reality. It's always been that way.

Let's take as an example, Gary Hart. He was the leading contender to be the Democratic nominee for President in 1988. He was caught having an affair and it crushed his campaign and ended his political career. Now, it's not illegal to have an affair. It doesn't impact most people at all who he was sleeping with. The police never even investigated him - but actions still have consequences.

There's a million more examples. The neo-nazis that marched in that tiki torch rally are another good example. Most of them who were identified were let go by their companies, who shockingly don't want to be associated with nazis. They weren't breaking the law by marching around saying nazi slogans and such, but they were showing that they were of poor character, and a potential embarrassment to an employer, so the get shown the door.

That's not vigilantism, that's protecting the brand and it's nothing new and nothing surprising.

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Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: Babaganoosh2.0 on Mon, 13 February 2023 13:56
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: PlusOne on Mon, 13 February 2023 15:54
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: Oscargasm on Mon, 13 February 2023 16:25
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: Babaganoosh2.0 on Mon, 13 February 2023 16:34
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: Adam on Tue, 14 February 2023 11:10
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: Babaganoosh2.0 on Wed, 08 March 2023 20:57
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: Adam on Thu, 09 March 2023 09:09
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: Babaganoosh2.0 on Thu, 09 March 2023 14:02
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: Adam on Thu, 09 March 2023 15:49
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: K.McC#24 on Fri, 10 March 2023 09:40
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Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: Babaganoosh2.0 on Fri, 10 March 2023 16:44
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Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: Babaganoosh2.0 on Fri, 10 March 2023 17:09
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: CrusaderPi on Fri, 10 March 2023 20:13
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: Babaganoosh2.0 on Sat, 11 March 2023 01:47
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: CrusaderPi on Sat, 11 March 2023 08:55
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Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: Adam on Sat, 11 March 2023 13:51
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: Babaganoosh2.0 on Sat, 11 March 2023 23:22
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: Adam on Sun, 12 March 2023 03:15
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: AndersonRules on Sun, 12 March 2023 09:04
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: CrusaderPi on Sun, 12 March 2023 13:01
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: Adam on Sun, 12 March 2023 14:16
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: CrusaderPi on Sun, 12 March 2023 15:18
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: Babaganoosh2.0 on Sun, 12 March 2023 15:26
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: Perkele on Mon, 13 March 2023 11:07
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: Babaganoosh2.0 on Wed, 15 March 2023 02:29
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 15 March 2023 18:55
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: Adam on Mon, 13 March 2023 00:23
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: CrusaderPi on Mon, 13 March 2023 00:28
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: Adam on Mon, 13 March 2023 01:31
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: CrusaderPi on Mon, 13 March 2023 08:28
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: Adam on Mon, 13 March 2023 11:17
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: CrusaderPi on Mon, 13 March 2023 11:43
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: AndersonRules on Mon, 13 March 2023 14:02
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: Adam on Mon, 13 March 2023 16:04
Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: CrusaderPi on Mon, 13 March 2023 16:17
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Re: Oilers prospect Max Wanner Suspended by WHL	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 14 March 2023 10:15
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