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Re: Review: Colorado @ Edmonton (Game #41) [message #816273 is a reply to message #816255 ]	Mon, 09 January 2023 09:30

Adam
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CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 08 January 2023 02:36

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CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 08 January 2023 01:20

HamBlaster wrote on Sun, 08 January 2023 00:30

Make some trades Holland. This team isn't a team, and won't do anything in the playoffs (if they manage to make it).

Do you really Holland to make a trade to fix this team? Have you seen the team he put together in his fourth year in Edmonton. No, the team you see now is the team the Oilers will be ... even if trades are made.

As Oscar Gamble said, "They don't think the Oilers be like it is, but it do".

He always seemed to find a way to get deadline players on a often cap strapped Red Wing team. We really only need another top 4 d and a bottom six greybeard. Not outside the realm. Not like we need to land a top liner. We are still in good shape. Just need to iron some kinks out. Better puck luck we win this. Other then the third most of the avs chances were from outside the circles. We can build on this.

Anything done with the Red Wings is as irrelevant as the Oilers and their glory years.

Maybe something can be built on the current team, but not by Holland and not anytime soon. At least nothing I've seen suggests we're going to see anything other than a fun but flawed team.

Not to mention that the above belief is completely incorrect:

1) The Red Wings were never cash-strapped. They were one of the Have teams in the pre-cap era, and the owners have always had deep pockets. The reason for their decline is that they had given away years of first round picks and they no longer were getting gems in later rounds. The drafting in Holland's last 10 years there are certainly not amazing.

And as for his ability to do in-season trades? He's never had it. Here's his trade history for in-season deals:

Source: http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/trade_list_by_GM/Ken_Hol land/138

1998 - Jamie Macoun & Dmitri Mironov - third pairing defencemen. Meh.
1999 - Chris Chelios, Bill Ranford, Wendel Clark, Ulf Samuelsson - Holland loves getting over the hill players. The only one that made any impact in Detroit was Chelios and it cost them a player and two firsts.
2000 - Todd Gill - another third pairing d-man.
2001 - Nothing.
2002 - Jiri Slegr - another depth d-man.
2003 - Jason Wooley (who?), Mathieu Schneider. Again, Schneider would be good for Detroit, but again pays a massive price. Sean Avery, Max Kuznetsov, a 1st and 2nd round pick.
2004 - Robert Lang - very low impact AND a high price as they give up Fleischmann and a 1st and 4th rd pick.
2006 - Cory Cross!? No wonder we beat them that year.
2007 - Kyle Calder (for Jason Williams), Todd Bertuzzi. Not a bad pickup and package wasn't bad (pick, conditional pick, Shawn Matthias), but well past his prime. Williams was better than Calder.
2008 - Francis Lemieux (???), Brad Stuart - Stuart is probably one of his better pickups. 2nd pairing d-man and it costs a 2nd and a 4th.
2009 - Nada
2010 - Ole-Kristian Tollefsen, Riley Armstrong, Jordan Owens. A whole lot of who?
2011 - nothing
2012 - nothing
2013 - Not much, Traded away Kent Huskins for a conditional pick.
2014 - David Legwand. Typical Old Dutch deal here. Over pays (Jarnkrok, Eaves and a 3rd) for an aging player who barely moves the needle.
2015 - Erik Cole, Marek Zidlicky - play it again Sam. Ridiculous price for Cole (Two players and a 2nd round pick for a guy on his last legs)
2016 - Not much, trade away Jakub Kindl for a 6th rounder.
2017 - Sellers. Holland gets a 3rd round pick for Jurco, a 2nd and 3rd for Brendan Smith, a 3rd and a prospect for Vanek, a 6th for Steve Ott.
2018 - Still selling, with possibly the best deal of his career - Tatar for a 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Also Mrazek for a conditional 3rd and conditional 4th.
2019 - still selling - Nick Jensen for a 2nd and a prospect, Gustav Nyquist for a 2nd and conditional 3rd.

Post lock-out, he never made a really impactful trade for the Red Wings that helped their seasons and even when he could spend to his heart's content ahead of the lockout, he just tends to focus on really old players and usually overpays for them given what they can still provide.

With the Oilers? Well, we all know what impact players Mike Green, Derek Roy, Andreas Athanasiou, Dmitri Kulikov, Derick Brassard and Brett Kulak have been for this team. Holland has a little more pressure in Edmonton to make moves, so he does, although he hasn't shown himself to be particularly good under that pressure. He's given away a lot of assets, and all we have to show for it is a 4/5 defenceman. It's safe to say none of the moves have really impacted our team's fortunes. I do fear that for Holland, he too believes that this team just needs a little more experience, so he finds us another old player past his prime, and overpays to get him here.

He also is allergic to any kind of cap creativity, so expect either to see him blow a hole in another part of the roster by sending a useful player the other way, or to see him complain that he couldn't do much for deals because we're too close to the cap.

In short, there's no cavalry coming, not so long as Ken Holland is the GM.

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
~~#FireLowe~~ #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky

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