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Re: Review: Seattle @ Edmonton (Game #39) [message #816104 is a reply to message #816102 ]	Wed, 04 January 2023 10:39

Adam
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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 04 January 2023 10:22

Adam wrote on Wed, 04 January 2023 09:40

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 03 January 2023 23:23

clutchlikeeberle wrote on Tue, 03 January 2023 21:49

Wish I took the bet, when I said in October this team wouldn't make the playoffs. They are terrible. Lack of Leadership is showing through. Anyone who thinks Keith and Smith didn't bring locker room accountability have to be stupid. This is a sad sack of players. 97 and 29 won't be pleased when they meet with Holland when they clear out lockers while others are preping for the post season.

You sound like someone who doesn't remember what last December and January was like. Keith and Smith were not the problem then and they're not what's missing now.

https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/EDM/2022_games.html

I sure hope Ken Holland knows this. I could definitely see him working the phones furiously trying to land some guy on his last legs to "add leadership" to the room.

I am concerned about Jay Woodcroft and I wonder what happened to the innovative leadership we saw last year. He just seems like a different coach - like the old coaches who preceded him, actually.

Not only is he returning to the McDavid/Draisaitl combo whenever we trail in a game, but it feels like they're almost calling the shots. There was one shift in the third period that had to be over 2 minutes, with both players jumping up in to one more rush late, late in that shift. I know they're both horses, but the team is vulnerable when people take too long shifts, and wouldn't everyone be better served if they're hopping off at the 1 minute mark, and then after 45-60 seconds on the bench you send them back out if you want to see them get more chances to tie it? I think you would and I think it sends a better message, because if Puljujarvi or Hamblin or even Derek Ryan took a 2 minute plus shift with multiple opportunities to change, you know that the coach would be irate.

I get it from 97 and 29's perspective. They just feel that they need to get it done if it's going to get done...no one else ever steps up for the Oilers...but the coach needs to get their buy-in that he's going to do right by them. He did a good job last year getting everyone else to feel like they were part of this too - we need him to do that again, but the rules can't be different for a couple of the guys for that to work. They'll get more playing time, but they can't just take whatever time they want themselves.

Also - Manson had done such a good job with the defencemen in the AHL. I'm curious what he's doing this year. It's just a mess. Again - I do think that there may be a bit of a problem with different rules for different players.

I wonder how much of that is direction from the GM...

Judging from the comments I hear from the Oilers privately managed PR firms, no. Holland doesn't know that. There is precious little conversation around how the Stanley Cup contending Oilers went into a season thinking Bouchard, Broberg, Barrie, Murray, and Niemelainen could be part of an effective defensive group with Nurse, Ceci, and Kulak. That was never going to work and, spoiler, it won't work next season either when every single one of those D (except RFA Bouch and Murray) are signed through.

I'll say it again, this season was never going to work because they didn't bother to fix what was exposed last year. We've seen the Oilers go into ~12 season with great top end scoring mixed with no depth and bad D causing questionable goaltending. We've also watched ~23 years of the Oilers being curse by bad, stubborn, out of touch, antiquated, foolish, shortsighted, dithering, pompous, comfortable management.

The problem with the current season is the solution isn't a fix for what's happening right now. Holland needs to go, but that doesn't make the defense better. If only someone could have predicted this. It isn't the coaches, it isn't McDavid, it isn't Drai, it isn't the depth, it isn't even the D. It's the people who looked at this roster and said, "yeah, good enough".

I think the spectacular failing of the depth suggests that you're right - it isn't entirely a personnel issue. It can't be. You just can't have this many players come in and fail for so long. Not even the Oilers are that unlucky. The culture is rotten from the inside, and that causes management to make bad and ill-informed decisions (increasing the chances that they'll be unlucky) and it causes otherwise good players to fail here again and again and again.

I do think that they're so worried that Connor McDavid will get fed up and ask to leave that they handle him (and Draisaitl and Nurse and a couple other "core" guys) with kid gloves. They let them do whatever they want - which isn't necessarily a good thing. Even great players need direction.

I'm not advocating benching any of them for their mistakes, but just at least limit their shift lengths and make sure it's the coaches choosing the lines and not the players reverting to what's comfortable. You can't have the inmates running the asylum.

The irony, of course, is that these guys WILL all leave if they feel that they can't win a championship here. It's not about needing to never be spoken to harshly - it's about winning Stanley Cups. They won't stay if we can't, and our archaic GM has done just about everything wrong in his time here. He's tied up a bunch of cap in dead space. He's refused to look at ways of clever cap manipulation. He's refused to use analytics provided by anyone who's not A) also booking hotel rooms and flights for the team or B) a blood relative of his. And he's tied up 5 years of big money in a goalie who looks shattered in the first half season of his deal. Anywhere else, that gets a guy fired and probably the joke that hired him in the first place is out too...here? Watch them all get extra titles to add to their business cards.

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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