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Re: Skinner Extended [message #815702 is a reply to message #815696 ]	Tue, 20 December 2022 09:31

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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 20 December 2022 08:27

smyth260 wrote on Mon, 19 December 2022 18:16

Adam wrote on Mon, 19 December 2022 10:01

clutchlikeeberle wrote on Mon, 19 December 2022 10:50

This is great business. Anyone that craps on this is the typical guy on here crapping on any move Holland makes.

To be fair, if you looked at all the moves Holland's made as Oilers GM and crapped on all of them, then you're right like 80% of the time. He has dropped a lot of balls.

I'm not saying that Skinner shouldn't be in the Oilers plans - just that he's got a very small sample size and the Oilers just committed a lot of cap space to him despite the fact he's got virtually no negotiating power.

But what are the odds he was gonna cheaper as the year goes on? I think that’s the question here. If he is a starter in game one of playoffs, I doubt we end up with him at 2.6M.

I actually don’t think the Oilers did bad here. It’s not a high dollar to outplay. He’ll be getting paid like a 1A/1B and I think this is a movable contract given how much goalie movement there are these days.

What are the odds he was going to get more expensive as the year goes on? The best alternative to no agreement is qualifying offers. Neither party wants that, so why not test to see if Skinner is going to break down with the long NHL schedule or during the second time through the league. What's the rush? Holland only bought 1 (I think) UFA year with this deal.

The best and worst case scenario is bad for the Oilers here. Best case, Skinner becomes a true #1, creates an expensive monster when this contract comes up. Worst case, Skinner is a flash in the pan, means Holland has signed a boat anchor for three years. This deal only pays off for the Oilers if Skinner remains an above average back up. There was no reason to do this deal now. It's a typical panic move from a GM whose only positive attribute has been an abundance of patience.

What do you consider a monster contract for Skinner assuming he continues to be good and establishes himself as a true #1?

Go look at what goalies make these days. Price at 10.5. They signed that in 2017, considered a bad contract not long after. Bob - 10 mill signing in 2019. Considered a bad contract the day it was signed. Vasilevsky 9.5 mill, signed 2019.

Since then no one has signed a deal for much more than 6 mill. I listen to Kevin Woodley who's the big goalie guy and he doesn't see contracts for goalies ever going as high as the Bob, Vasilevsky. Just how the position has changed as team aren't playing their start 65 games anymore so they aren't paying guys as much.

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Skinner Extended	By: inverno76 on Mon, 19 December 2022 09:38
Re: Skinner Extended	By: RDOilerfan on Mon, 19 December 2022 09:39
Re: Skinner Extended	By: inverno76 on Mon, 19 December 2022 10:16
Re: Skinner Extended	By: Adam on Mon, 19 December 2022 10:38
Re: Skinner Extended	By: inverno76 on Mon, 19 December 2022 11:22
Re: Skinner Extended	By: Adam on Mon, 19 December 2022 11:45
Re: Skinner Extended	By: smyth260 on Mon, 19 December 2022 09:52
Re: Skinner Extended	By: clutchlikeeberle on Mon, 19 December 2022 10:50
Re: Skinner Extended	By: Adam on Mon, 19 December 2022 11:01
Re: Skinner Extended	By: Kr55 on Mon, 19 December 2022 11:20
Re: Skinner Extended	By: smyth260 on Mon, 19 December 2022 18:16
Re: Skinner Extended	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 20 December 2022 08:27
Re: Skinner Extended	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 20 December 2022 09:31
Re: Skinner Extended	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 20 December 2022 09:46
Re: Skinner Extended	By: Adam on Tue, 20 December 2022 10:27
Re: Skinner Extended	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 20 December 2022 10:33
Re: Skinner Extended	By: smyth260 on Tue, 20 December 2022 11:53
Re: Skinner Extended	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 20 December 2022 12:56
Re: Skinner Extended	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 20 December 2022 13:30
Re: Skinner Extended	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 20 December 2022 13:47
Re: Skinner Extended	By: Adam on Tue, 20 December 2022 13:59
Re: Skinner Extended	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 20 December 2022 14:08
Re: Skinner Extended	By: Dragon_Matt on Tue, 20 December 2022 14:14
Re: Skinner Extended	By: smyth260 on Tue, 20 December 2022 14:15
Re: Skinner Extended	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 20 December 2022 14:21
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Re: Skinner Extended	By: Adam on Tue, 21 March 2023 12:39
Re: Skinner Extended	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 21 March 2023 13:03
Re: Skinner Extended	By: Adam on Tue, 21 March 2023 13:10
Re: Skinner Extended	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 21 March 2023 13:12
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