 |
 Adam
Messages: 6854
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
6 Cups
|
|
| nullterm wrote on Sun, 20 November 2022 16:27 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 17 November 2022 14:39 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 17 November 2022 12:18 |
Part of the Oilers problem is I think they have too many players who I deem dimensionless on their team.
|
I can tell you were listening to Stauffer today! I think someone called in and coined the term "dimensionless" .. to describe the bottom 6.. which I thought is a perfect term for them.. can't score, not hard on the forecheck, make defensive mistakes, weak in their own zone, and bring zero threat of physicality or intimidation (maybe Foegle.. recently)
Can't have "dimensionless" players on a contending NHL team = Oiler problem (one of..)
|
We are definitely a dimensionless team. We have half a dozen forwards that are all pretty much the same average joe bottom sixer. If you have guys that aren’t scoring then they need to do something that might help in another way like forecheck and PK.
As is we #28 on the PK at 73%
And outside our best five forwards, the rest are at best trending to a 20 point season.
|
I think the difference to me is that when people like Stauffer talk about "dimension" they mean hitting and fighting. You actually hit the nail on the head though - it is about scoring. Your fourth line is generally playing against the other team's fourth liners, so if they're consistently getting outplayed and outscored, that is a problem. We need production from up and down the lineup.
I will say, I think that this conversation after the LA game (or the Vegas game for that matter) is a little out of place in that we've seen a couple games in a row where our third lines played quite well. They are forechecking, hitting and creating chances. They have outplayed the other team's depth guys. Against LA, the Kostin/McLeod/Jannmark line generated 6 shots - the most of any line. Against Vegas, with Puljujarvi in for Jannmark, that trio had 5 shots. They did give up one goal against though, which obviously is a black mark against them.
The problem isn't role, it's results. If they keep playing that way and getting opportunities, then theoretically they should start to see results.
If we want to talk about the fourth line? Maybe there's more there, although again, against LA they weren't really a problem. Holloway/Ryan/Shore had four shots in that game in limited minutes. The first line of Nuge/McDavid/Puljujarvi had just two shots between them and Foegele/Draisaitl/Hyman had five despite both units playing way more icetime. Holloway also had a pretty good look. In a tight game against a good Vegas team, the fourth line barely played, with Woodcroft completely shortening his bench after the second period.
I've long said that the Oilers need more from the depth, but we just made a pretty big shakeup and the last two games it has looked good. Those lines didn't cost us the LA game, and they were generally fine against Vegas.
If they keep playing like they are, I'd want to keep Kostin and Jannmark over Shore and Ryan when everyone is healthy.
Holloway? I don't know. He's playing better now than at the start of the season, there's been improvement for sure. But at 20 maybe he's better off building his confidence in the AHL. Maybe flip him for Seth Griffith? James Hamblin? Holloway might be the best player of that group eventually, but I'm not sure he is now, and I would hate to see him really lose confidence as he struggles to put up any kind of numbers here.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireLowe #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky
|
|
|
|
Review:
Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
By: OilFans on Wed, 16 November 2022 22:30 |
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
By: K.McC#24 on Wed, 16 November 2022 22:55 |
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
By: g2k on Wed, 16 November 2022 23:00 |
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
By: Rutuu on Wed, 16 November 2022 23:01 |
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
By: g2k on Wed, 16 November 2022 23:07 |
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
By: Leia on Wed, 16 November 2022 23:27 |
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
By: Leia on Thu, 17 November 2022 00:57 |
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
By: Kr55 on Wed, 16 November 2022 23:35 |
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
By: Mike on Thu, 17 November 2022 06:27 |
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
By: Adam on Thu, 17 November 2022 09:45 |
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
By: Kr55 on Thu, 17 November 2022 10:50 |
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
By: oilfan94 on Thu, 17 November 2022 16:53 |
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
By: Adam on Fri, 18 November 2022 10:43 |
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
By: nullterm on Sun, 20 November 2022 16:27 |
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
By: Adam on Sun, 20 November 2022 17:52 |
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
By: NetBOG on Sun, 20 November 2022 16:23 |
|
Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) |
|
