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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #16) [message #814022 is a reply to message #814020 ]	Sun, 13 November 2022 21:10

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Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 13 November 2022 15:36

Give away update..

Bouchard currently 4th worst in the NHL for defensive zone give aways for defensemen (16) .. Nurse is 8th (14)

This matches my general impressions from watching games.. need to improve if Oilers are going anywhere.

For Comparison;
Nemo 11
Kulak 5
Barrie 4
Ceci 3
Murray 2

For the amount of ice time he gets.. Ceci's number is pretty good.

For total give aways (all zones).. Nurse is 2nd worst in the NHL for defencemen (21).. Bouchard is 6th worst (18).

This stat needs to have some context. This giveaway update to try and prove Nurse and Bouchard are bad reminds me of the Russell defenders using blocked shots to defend him. Russell blocked a tonne of shots yes, but part of that was that he never got the puck away or forced dumpins, etc. He stood in the slot and defended like a pylon, looking to block.

Nurse and Bouchard need to be better at protecting the puck. I think everyone agrees on that.
To look at it deeper there is a number of things;
- Much like a player like Draisaitl players like Nurse and Bouchard have more giveaways because they have the puck so much more than other defenceman.
- A guy like Ceci that you mention is not good at puck retrieval so is not given chances for good/bad plays
- on that note, when some players get the puck they make a 3 foot pass that has no positive effect on the play but when that player gives it away, the D in question doesn't get the dreaded giveaway tick.
- Nurse has been discussed to death this last couple weeks but Bouchard isnt getting enough credit for how much he has developed defensively. He is far from perfect, and hopefully far from done developing, but he is much better than last year.
- he is logging a lot of 5 V 5 mins, usually gets high end comp. Most of the time he has a net positive effect on the game. He has some giveaways and mistakes but I find that his result in a bad result less often than his teammates. He gets the puck and attempts a LOT of plays per game so has a more giveaways but he has become one of the more stable options on the blue line.

Ceci, Barrie and Kulak tend to pick a spot in the slot and turn in circles. Bouchard and Nurse tend to get the puck. Even with the giveaways of the latter 2 I would rather that risk than the option of the first three, that is sit back and hope for the best.

This is all eye test, subjective but thats how I see it.

If fancy stats are your thing, a quick look at natural stat trick tells me that Bouchard has the best Corsi, fenwick and shot % of all defencemen.

None of this takes into account the role forwards play in the giveaway stat of a defencemen. We have some VERY bad wingers at being in the right place for zone exit passes. I dont know if that is system, effort or skill but I notice when Nurse and Bouchard are out there the players fly the zone quicker and are crossing more while leaving the zone. When the other defencemen are on the ice they come down lower on the boards and simplify the breakout.

Lastly, the entire team needs to be better at getting out of the Oilers end. All of the defencemen need to be better. The goalies (well, one goalie) need to be better. In the end, this team wont be a true contender until they find a way to take care of their own zone better.

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