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 Kr55
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Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 July 2022 12:10 |
| Kr55 wrote on Wed, 27 July 2022 11:50 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 July 2022 11:15 |
| Mike wrote on Wed, 27 July 2022 09:52 |
| Dragon_Matt wrote on Wed, 27 July 2022 11:43 |
I don't even believe Barrie is overpaid. Simply that Bouchard is younger and has more offensive upside. If Bouchard didn't pass him this past season, Barrie would be a top 4 Dman and our PP QB, making him worth his contract. We should be presenting him to other teams as a very reasonably priced player with 3 more years who's cap hit more than offsets taking Foegle as part of the deal.
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My take as well.
But then someone mentioned injury - WHAT IF Bouchard gets injured for an extended period? Who runs PP1? Nurse? That's not ideal.
And on the subject of Bouchard - when would he become UFA? I think they should do all they can to extend him right now for at least a few years - whatever his UFA-1 year would be. Or if he wants to sign long term right now, I wouldn't be afraid of doing that either.
Problem is - if Barrie is not here this year, Bouchard very well could explode. Both because of the added gravy PP1 time, and the fact he is a year older coming off what was essentially his rookie season. A season where he put up 43 points, with 35 of those at even strength (good for 14th in the NHL). If Barrie is not here this year, and Bouchard is not extended, he could get VERY expensive by the time summer 2023 rolls around.
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I agree with all of this and like I said, if you get rid of Barrie, then you need to bring back someone else who can fill his spot. Do you need whoever is in Barrie's roster spot to be able to run a PP and put up 40+ pts, of course not. But I am of the belief, the Oilers are in win now mode. So you need good Dmen from 1-6. Barrie is ideally in your 3rd pairing but if someone gets hurt, maybe Bouchard who's still a very young dman, maybe he has a rough patch which happens with young dmen and maybe you need to reduce his role for a short spurt so he gets a reset. Barrie could slide up and do that and give you some good mins.
So dumping Barrie to get rid of his cap hit and then bringing in a true #6 might not be a good idea. It's definiately not a good idea to hope a raw rookie in Broberg can flip over to play the right just because he did some in Sweden or the AHL. So I do not think trading Barrie for anything is as easy as some people think. If the Oilers were a team that the expectation is to maybe squeak into the playoffs then you could do that. But I think the expectation is they should be challenging for the division lead, be one of the best teams in the West and pushing for a cup.
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Do you have no concerns that we have no cap space to ensure we have top 6 and top 9 quality forwards to fill out our forward roster? The forwards having guys playing above their ability is the cost of having Barrie making 2x of what his role will be. Such is the way in a cap world, especially with millions of dead cap space. Replace Barrie with someone appropriately costed for the 3rd pair and that can let you have a forward roster with everyone slotted to their capability.
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I am of the opinion that it's more important to have a solid set of 6 dmen to have success in the playoffs than worrying about who's filling out your 3rd line. I think having a poor 3rd pairing is going to do more damage to your team than having an elite 3rd line winger.
I am looking at the team and their top 5 forwards and how I type them out this isn't how I rank them, are:
McD, Leon, Hyman, Kane, Nuge.
So now we are talking about the 6, 7, 8th forward.
I would suggest Barrie is their #5 dman so I would think your #5 dman is going to play more mins than your 7th and 8th forward on most nights.
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A bad bottom 6 bleeding goals got us swept a couple years ago. There are consequences for having holes in your lineup. IMO the more ppl you have in your top 9 forwards and top 4 D playing in spots they are suited for, the better your chances. Right now we're struggling to sign a couple forwards in the top 9. McLeod is absolutely essential now, he helped a lot in the playoffs. Yams did a lot of good work too.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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