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| RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 16:21 |
| Goose wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 16:12 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:38 |
I guess we have differing opinions but I see the Oilers going into a potential cup challenging window so I am not looking for them to downgrade their defense.
I see Barrie as a dman who when paired with a good skating dman, he can give you OK defensive hockey like he was when he was with Kulak. Defensively, he didn't have a good first half, the second half was decent and so were his playoffs. I see him as a smart, very good puck mover 5 on 5 which in the NHL these days is important. Every dman has to be able to move the puck at least a bit thse days in my opinion. He can be a PP QB if you need him. On the Oilers, that's a luxury they could afford to lose. I see him as a guy who is at this point in his career best suited for the 3rd pair but if something happens, he could play more and not kill you. He's also a right shot and experienced and when you have Bouchard AND Broberg in your line up, you need experienced guys.
I am not interested in playing a rookie in Broberg on his offside. I don't care if he has done it before in lower levels, he's got 23 total NHL games. That's it. I believe he played virtually all those games on the left. The NHL is the hardest league in the world, him moving up to the NHL will already be a huge learning curve, I am not piling on the pressure of playing your offside while you learn the NHL game. I believe they should put young players especially defense in positions to succeed, asking a rookie to play your offside is not doing that. I also do not think forcing someone else to play their offside is a good idea unless they have been doing that are many years.
So to replace him and not downgrade your defense, you need a dman that:
- has experience and is a right shot.
- can defend at least at Barrie's level when he was playing well in the second half.
- be able to move the puck at least some.
- can't be a pylon on skates.
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I get the argument about not wanting to downgrade the defence, but even if Barrie were the best 3rd pair defenceman in the league in a cap world it's still a massive misallocation of resources to be paying him that much to play that role.
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You guys continue to dance around the issue. You can get rid of Barrie and I am sure they could find someone in need of an offensive dman to just dump the salary on them for not much back but they have to replace him. I fully understand Bouchard can replace him on the PP. I am not talking about that. I am talking about replacing Barrie, the right shot NHL dman that he is. Maybe you don't like Barrie personally, maybe you don't think he defends well enough or think he makes too much money for what he does and that is fine. It does not change the fact that he is a right shot, NHL dman that could play on 31 other teams.
If you trade Barrie today and don't have a viable NHL dman to replace his spot on the 3rd line, then the next guy up in the Oilers system to play the right side in the 3rd pairing is Desharnais. Or you flip over a rookie in Broberg. I see the Oilers in a cup window now and I think it would be a massive mistake to expect Desharnais who's never played in the NHL to take over Barrie's spot or to expect a Dman with 23 career NHL games to flip over to his opposite side.
Ideally, they attach and asset and trade Foegele. I am curious to know what exactly the Ducks are doing. They are 4.3 mill under the cap floor.
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The issue isn't who replaces Barrie. The issue is, as always, poor management forcing the Oilers to make stupid and panicked decisions to cover for their mismanagement. No one wants to replace a real (but overpaid) NHL player for a sub-replacement level meat bag. But here we are, it needs to happen because the incompetently run Oilers have predictably bungled their way into a corner.
Ultimately who replaces Barrie and Foegle doesn't matter. We know we're either going to be watching someone else's problem, a guy that can't handle the spot, or a not yet ready rookie. There is no replacement for Barrie at a price the Oilers can afford. Unless they buy out Barrie.
3 million is cap savings this year alone!
Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.
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