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 inverno76
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 14:38 |
| Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 14:18 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 14:12 |
| Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 14:07 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:58 |
| Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:46 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:36 |
| Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:32 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:25 |
| Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:20 |
| CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:07 |
| kungpaobenji27 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:05 |
Foegele has to be on the way out...or buried in the minors right now....right?
Only way to resign Yamo and McLeod now
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They could buyout Barrie!
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Barrie is the only guy we could trade now to free up space. Seems like we've been shopping Foegele all summer and no takers because he's so overpriced. But we just love Barrie too much to bring ourselves to move him, so we will buy him out next summer after he plays on the 3rd line all year and loses his PP spot.
The Oilers way.
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If you trade Barrie, you need a dman to take his spot. Who's doing that? Taking into account this isn't a developing team, it's a team looking to challenge for a cup so plugging in a rookie from Bakersfield I don't think is a good idea.
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Who is taking the spot of a guy that performs like an average 3rd pair D if he doesn't get spoonfed McDavid ice time and PP time? Not sure, but I think you can fill that spot far cheaper than 4.5M.
Keeping Barrie this year just means we are trying to unload him next summer after he underperforms his cap hit by a significant margin just like Foegele right now. Trade Barrie now, replace him for 1-2M and have 2.5M more to play with this season. Obviously you try to unload Foegele too, and I wouldn't worry about how hard it would be to replace him either.
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Sounds great, who you getting for 1-2 mill that is a better and cheaper defender than Barrie? I've seen and heard lots of stats people say that Barrie's D numbers were decent the last half of the season and the playoffs.
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I admittedly am not an expert on all the 3rd pair D available throughout the league, but am going to take a leap that there are many many ways to get one if needed if you have ~2M of cap space to spare.
Barrie without McDavid in the playoffs was 22% GF (2 for, 7 against). Some bad luck involved, but I don't think he was bringing anything that special to the table, aside from that goal in the Kings series :)
Would love to keep everyone, but, to me, Barrie is the most obvious move still. A team desperate for a RHD that can play the PP has to be out there. We were that team for over a decade and suddenly we have 2 guys like that. Not moving Barrie now I think will result in not that much benefit in the season if he loses that PP spot, you'll be paying a guy probably double what he is providing, and then we are trying to Foegele him next summer. Sometimes it just makes sense to be proactive about this stuff, which the Oilers almost never are.
Personally I would pay a team sweetener to take Foegele and I would move Barrie. Foegele's performance very replaceable probably for 1.5M max. Barrie's future as a 3rd pair D for ~2M. The PP actually scored as a higher rate with Nurse than Barrie the last couple years, so you don't even need Barrie as the 2nd PP guy that badly. Bouch has more potential to add a new element to the PP than Barrie at this point. Bouch has the shot. Barrie is mainly just a guy that needs to pass quickly and not give the puck away like 1 armed Klef was.
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All sounds amazing and I am not disagreeing one bit with you nor am I being sarcastic what so ever. If you can get a better dman for cheaper than Barrie, sign me up. But like I said, I don't know who that guy is.
I see the Oilers in a cup window. They will have Bouchard who's a second year dman and most likely Broberg playing defense, so I personally do not think introducing another young dman full time like say Niemelinen or Samoruko or who ever is a good idea. I also believe in putting players into positions to succeed so while I understand Broberg at lower levels can play his offside, I do not think putting Broberg in his first full year in the NHL on his offside is smart. So I think they need a vet to replace Barrie. So they need a veteran, right shot, cheap, better defensive dman than Barrie who isn't a pylon on skates.
Are you of the opinion that the Oilers have turned down the opportunity to get this better, cheaper dman for Barrie? I don't know if he's out there personally. If they did, they are idiots.
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I just think "as good as Barrie" in the context of him losing his PP spot is a very low bar to hit. Maybe you need to make a small trade for a 3rd pair D, but it shouldn't be a hard gap to fill IMO. Maybe as part of the trade of Barrie you get a cheaper RHD back from the team trying to get a PP specialist. The important part is that you're clearing the 4.5M off your books that would be going to a guy that will end up performing at a ~2M level. Barrie without PP time and the prime time with the top line (that makes almost any D look good on paper) is a very mediocre D IMO.
I think the Oilers just like Barrie and are not seriously shopping him. Barrie signed a discount to stay here, he's a great guy and good friends with lots of our players. Maybe there is a loyalty barrier to get over to move him. He's redundant on this team though, it's very clear. It will be much much harder to move him next summer.
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I am of the opinion that personality wise, they do like Barrie and so does the room. I think when it comes to on the ice, they are not in a rush to get rid of him for the sake of getting rid of him like some fans want. I also think if they do trade him, they would want to know they are getting an upgrade for sure vs rolling the dice on the guy. Better to keep the guy you know vs get rid of him and hope another guy is better then have him not work out.
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An upgrade on what though? Someone that playing 3rd pair time is losing the possession battle most of the time? It's not that hard to replace that player. I think maybe we have different views of what Barrie is. I think he's just a passable 3rd pair D if he's not getting the PP time. When you imply it would be hard to replace him, I just don't see it that way. Without a doubt a GM worth close to 5M should easily be able to replace that role for far cheaper IMO.
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I guess we have differing opinions but I see the Oilers going into a potential cup challenging window so I am not looking for them to downgrade their defense.
I see Barrie as a dman who when paired with a good skating dman, he can give you OK defensive hockey like he was when he was with Kulak. Defensively, he didn't have a good first half, the second half was decent and so were his playoffs. I see him as a smart, very good puck mover 5 on 5 which in the NHL these days is important. Every dman has to be able to move the puck at least a bit thse days in my opinion. He can be a PP QB if you need him. On the Oilers, that's a luxury they could afford to lose. I see him as a guy who is at this point in his career best suited for the 3rd pair but if something happens, he could play more and not kill you. He's also a right shot and experienced and when you have Bouchard AND Broberg in your line up, you need experienced guys.
I am not interested in playing a rookie in Broberg on his offside. I don't care if he has done it before in lower levels, he's got 23 total NHL games. That's it. I believe he played virtually all those games on the left. The NHL is the hardest league in the world, him moving up to the NHL will already be a huge learning curve, I am not piling on the pressure of playing your offside while you learn the NHL game. I believe they should put young players especially defense in positions to succeed, asking a rookie to play your offside is not doing that. I also do not think forcing someone else to play their offside is a good idea unless they have been doing that are many years.
So to replace him and not downgrade your defense, you need a dman that:
- has experience and is a right shot.
- can defend at least at Barrie's level when he was playing well in the second half.
- be able to move the puck at least some.
- can't be a pylon on skates.
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At the very least Holland needs to be looking for a replacement player with a shut down acumen. I like Soucy. LH shot, but can play either side. 1.75M cheaper with an expiring contract.
Not sure if that deal us out there, but it makes financial sense and fits the team’s needs.
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