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 CrudeRemarks
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Registered: November 2010
Location: Edmonton
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| oilfan94 wrote on Thu, 21 July 2022 22:01 |
| mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 21 July 2022 19:33 |
| CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 18 July 2022 12:36 |
| Goose wrote on Mon, 18 July 2022 12:31 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 18 July 2022 07:38 |
I said it in the other thread, I think JP is getting bad advice from his agent. Based on all the rumors, this is why it's been difficult to trade him. Teams are scared of the contract and what it could be if it goes to arb and the uncertainty of what JP might become. There are teams out there that are way more into numbers than the Oilers and if they are worried about what to pay him because they aren't sure what he might become, that should say a little. IF JP was smart, if he wants out and there is no way for him in his mind to come back, sign a 1-2 yr deal at 2 mill per and you'd have teams falling all over themselves to get him. Then at 26, you are a UFA and if you do well, you will get your homerun, long term deal.
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I don't understand this line of reasoning. Is the consensus that NHL arbitration deals overwhelmingly favour the players that have good analytics? I haven't heard that before if it's the case. If the process is somewhat fair, wouldn't the deal that Puljujarvi be offered be in line with his current production?
Maybe the issue isn't so much that arbitration would overpay Puljujarvi relative to his market value, but just more that the Oilers want to pay him less than what the market is suggesting he should be paid.
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100% this. UFAs are allowed to let the market set their value. RFAs don't have that luxury. So to protect players from predatory ownership behavior, older RFAs can go to an independent third party who has the experience to do just that. This has the bonus upside of arbitration always being a terrifying and unpredictable experience.
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On top of this, if you are a team that DOES have interest in Puljujarvi and you sense the Oilers may walk away from an arbitration awards if they deem it too high, you likely are waiting that out rather than giving up assets. If you could pay him $3M and give up no assets, that is better than paying him $3M and giving up assets.
It's probably another example how the transparency of the Oilers management may work against them a bit.
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Serious question, has the Oilers transparency of moves ever turned out to their benefit that we know of?
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For me it's nice to have the clarity that if I sleep with the owner, it's worth $50-$75k. I hate wondering about that stuff.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.
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