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Re: Kassian traded to AZ [message #824470 is a reply to message #824469 ]	Wed, 21 June 2023 14:33

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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 June 2023 14:20

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 June 2023 11:54

Agents love Holland

Brian King @Kinger999

Zach Kassian: 4x3.2. 10 goals, bought out after 3.

Stephen Weiss: 5x4.9. 11 goals, bought out after 2.

Justin Abdelkator: 7x4.25 26 goals, bought out after 4.

Fran Neilson: 6x5.25 48 goals, bought out after 5.

Lots of guys getting some cash beyond their useable NHL years.

So Nuge is next?

Why would you think that?

I don't yet but he was listing off forwards and Nuge's name jumped into my mind given how brutal he was in the playoffs with no apparent reason. There is 6 more years on Nuge's deal and if he has another playoff like he just did, that contract won't look to great.

I can't believe you're basing that off of 12 bad games.

I am basing it off the 12 games this playoff where he scored a pathetic 1 goal in 12 games.
I am basing it off of 17 playoffs were in 13 games he was zero goals and 4 assists.
I am basing it off of a player who in 12 yrs, all but 2 (rookie and this past) of them were pretty mediocre. All of them needed other players to prop him up and carry him to have any kind of success.

I was in the Keep Nuge Forever corner, and I still am. I think you undervalue his PP contributions. He is widely regarded as a PP wizard, and he does much more than provide secondary assists. He runs a lot of that PP and has that deceptive shot that gives the PP an element of scoring from the LW slot. His salary is great for a 50-65 point guy (that is not mediocre) and I doubt he ever approaches 100 points again, I am confident his basement will be in the 60 point range. Find me better value than that.

This feels like the old Eberle bashing days. Not all players will be play drivers, and I sure would love to have Jordan 'Perimeter Player' Eberle in my top 6. The hole from removing Nuge would not be replaced at his current price point.

For the record, if people actually read what I said in this thread, I have yet to say they Oilers need to get rid of him. This conversation started when K55 listed a bunch of long term contracts that Holland had signed that got bought out shortly after and all I said was could Nuge be next at some point. Then PI like he does, takes a shot at me about making that statement based on 12 games. So I responded that my comment was based on his body of work.

I haven't said they should get rid of him, I am not advocating to get rid him but if it ever came to pass, the reasons I stated would be why in my opinion.

But and what I am going to say isn't an opinion, it's a fact, if the Oilers are going to win the cup, guys like Nuge have to step up and have a better playoff than he just did. I am not saying what he does on the PP doesn't have value, it does. But he scored 1 goal period and had 1 goal, 1 assist 5 on 5. Like it or not because it's Nuge, that's not enough. That isn't a shot at Nuge, that's a fact. He has to score more than he did this past playoffs especially considering how much he plays.

Everyone has to play better to win a Cup. Not just 'guys like Nuge'. His 5v5 play dried up, but he was a key contributor on the PP. I did read what you said, but you yanked Nugent-Hopkin's name out of the blue. Our playoff success will not depend on an increase in scoring, but in the team's ability to keep the puck out of their own net. Our PP almost got us by Vegas.

If the point of your comment was to try and figure out the next buy-out then I do not understand your reasoning for bringing up #93. Coming off a career season and has 39 points in 49 playoff games almost mirroring his career regular season average ppg, .788 vs .796. Nuge is not going anywhere and he should not be any time soon.

Also, just say 'NO' to buyouts of any sort. Dead Cap is the root of all evil.

I know for some, any talk about Nuge that isn't he's great is a no go. That's fine.

I like Nuge, I am fine he's on the team but I was never a KeepNugeForever guy. I was a keep Nuge if he will take a contract that you can't refuse. He did that. I don't love the turn but at 5.125 mill that's a price point for a good player that is next to impossible to replace for cheaper. I wish he was more of a driver, I wish he was more intense, I wish he wasn't as much if a complimentary guy as he is but he's a good player in what he does for the most part. I have always wanted more from him because there should be more there but it's likely never to come.

I do not think many people believe Nuge is "great", but the Nuge lovers see the intangibles that he brings, along side consistent 60 point scoring. You can wish for a lot of things, and sometimes #93 surprises you with a big hit or a fight from time to time. Those moments are few and far between, but he rarely underperforms from his baseline and many people see the value in that.

You do not need to be a fan of his RD, he has enough already. Having an contrarian opinion is allowed, but you are going to find it tough if you are looking for allies in this dispute.

Trust me, I have learned a long time ago, I have zero allies in here about anything. I think differently and people often don't like different. Is what it is.

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Kassian traded to AZ	By: PlusOne on Thu, 07 July 2022 20:25
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Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: PlusOne on Thu, 07 July 2022 20:31
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: Oscargasm on Thu, 07 July 2022 20:27
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: Kr55 on Thu, 07 July 2022 20:29
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: Oscargasm on Thu, 07 July 2022 20:41
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: Kr55 on Thu, 07 July 2022 20:42
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: PlusOne on Thu, 07 July 2022 20:41
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: Oscargasm on Thu, 07 July 2022 20:42
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: NetBOG on Thu, 07 July 2022 20:47
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: inverno76 on Thu, 07 July 2022 20:52
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: inverno76 on Thu, 07 July 2022 20:55
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: NetBOG on Thu, 07 July 2022 20:55
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: inverno76 on Thu, 07 July 2022 20:56
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: NetBOG on Thu, 07 July 2022 20:59
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: inverno76 on Thu, 07 July 2022 22:21
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: NetBOG on Thu, 07 July 2022 23:35
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: Adam on Thu, 07 July 2022 20:57
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: NetBOG on Thu, 07 July 2022 21:15
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: PlusOne on Thu, 07 July 2022 21:21
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: Skookum Jim on Thu, 07 July 2022 21:29
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: Kr55 on Thu, 07 July 2022 21:35
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: Adam on Thu, 07 July 2022 21:48
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: Kr55 on Thu, 07 July 2022 21:51
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: Adam on Thu, 07 July 2022 21:56
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: Kr55 on Thu, 07 July 2022 21:02
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: NetBOG on Thu, 07 July 2022 20:52
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: Adam on Thu, 07 July 2022 20:55
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: Hemmer2Eberle on Thu, 07 July 2022 21:21
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 08 July 2022 08:10
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: Dragon_Matt on Fri, 08 July 2022 09:09
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: inverno76 on Thu, 07 July 2022 21:00
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: Kr55 on Wed, 13 July 2022 09:54
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 13 July 2022 10:06
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: Adam on Tue, 20 June 2023 10:06
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 20 June 2023 10:22
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: Steve on Tue, 20 June 2023 10:35
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: Kr55 on Tue, 20 June 2023 11:53
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: Kr55 on Tue, 20 June 2023 11:54
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 20 June 2023 12:05
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: inverno76 on Tue, 20 June 2023 12:08
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 20 June 2023 12:16
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 20 June 2023 13:18
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: Kr55 on Tue, 20 June 2023 13:23
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 20 June 2023 15:05
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 20 June 2023 14:59
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: inverno76 on Wed, 21 June 2023 12:51
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 21 June 2023 13:28
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: inverno76 on Wed, 21 June 2023 13:56
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 21 June 2023 14:00
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 21 June 2023 14:05
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: inverno76 on Wed, 21 June 2023 14:20
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 21 June 2023 14:33
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: Adam on Wed, 21 June 2023 14:46
Re: Kassian traded to AZ	By: inverno76 on Wed, 21 June 2023 18:07

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