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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #814393 is a reply to message #814392 ]	Wed, 23 November 2022 09:36

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 23 November 2022 09:06

Dragon_Matt wrote on Wed, 23 November 2022 08:50

Keith had value. The issue with having him was how he arrived. we were fleeced in a trade, bloated us higher to the cap and restricted us from potential other moves.
I don't think most the poster's thought Keith was useless. We just shouldn't have taken him the way we did.

I will always disagree on the take the Oilers got fleeced in the trade. The point of any trade is to improve your team. They gave up a 3rd pairing at best dman and a conditional 3rd round pick in a weak draft to get a 2nd pairing dman who played 19 mins a night and for the most part 19 decent minutes a night. They finished second in the West and made it to the conference finals. The fact he mentored Bouchard, something that Bouchard himself said made a HUGE difference to him, is icing on the make. So I don't see that as a bad trade what so ever. It was a good trade. If they got the Hawks to eat a little salary, it would have been a grand slam trade. But a bad trade? That in my opinion couldn't be more wrong. He improved the team, that's the point of ANY trade.

I view Niemo as similar to Jones. A guy that can play at time but not proven. A guy who if he pans out, could play in a teams 3rd pairing. If there is a vet, instant top 4 dman out there who will step in and give the Oilers 19 mins of decent play right away, like Keith was able to do, and the cost is Niemo and a conditional 3rd. I will trade 6-7 dmen and picks that are 5+ years from maybe making the NHL for top 4 dmen all day long.

Not to re-litigate it too much, but if a guy wants to be dealt, has a no-move clause that he's going to exercise in order to only get traded to you, and has a massive cap hit that you and everyone knows he's incapable of playing up to, then you don't roll over and send two assets plus take on the full cap hit. It's pretty simple.

I don't believe there was a lot of value brought by Keith. I think he was possibly the worst defender on the team in the playoffs, surrendering chance after chance - remember the OT goal against LA? But even if he had brought value, or his intangibles really did rub off on the team, we still overpayed and it cost us when it came to adding a deadline piece last year. The best I can say for him is that he agreed to retire. I believe he's still supposedly got some kind of role with the Oilers that totally isn't a payoff for his early retirement, so if he's really the missing ingredient, fly him out and have him spend time with the team.

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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