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Re: Puljujarvi's Extension [message #809838 is a reply to message #809817 ]	Tue, 05 July 2022 21:31

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 05 July 2022 15:39

Hyman used up a lot of time with elite teammates scoring 10 and 15 too. I think he was 26 years old when he finally started figuring out his offensive game.

He scored 28 points playing with Matthews before signing a 2.25Mx4 deal and ended up a bargain, but then got his due from us.

Pulju is younger and has a better draft pedigree, and the cap is higher now, so that's probably something like a 3.3Mx4 deal from us, if we value his contribution in the top 6 as a good 2-way player that is allowing our elite offensive guys to cheat a little more without is costing us as much. I'd do that for sure for Pulju. Goose is advocating for a longer term deal around 4M or so with the expectation Pulju finds his offensive game and it ends up a bargain for years to come. If we're negotiating with Pulju as if he has to be paid like a 3rd liner, then for sure he's gone, because he knows he can do better somewhere else and it's clear teams with good analytics groups are trying to get him from us.

It isn't really great analysis to take two totally different players and compare random seasons. If you put Puljujarvi up against Brett Hull, then he's junk. I mean, Hall was playing with Oates, who wasn't even close to as good as McDavid!

There's a pretty good argument that Puljujarvi is a top-six right winger already. Among right wingers, he was 41st in points, 44th in points per game, and 37th in even strength points. (Yamamoto was 35th, 47th and 29th by the same metrics). It's also been acknowledged many times, even by Bob Stauffer that Puljujarvi's campaign was negatively impacted by Covid and then by injury. There was a point early in the year where he was among the league's highest scoring right wingers. While that wasn't sustainable, it definitely showed some capability to play at a high level. I don't think he should get a contract based off those first 30 games or so, but I don't think they should be easily forgotten.

With arbitration this summer, the Oilers have a route available to them should they be fairly far apart in the negotiation with the player. Let him file for arbitration, and then see what happens. It's unlikely he's going to win a major payday from an arbitrator given his stats. I don't think there's a good reason to get rid of him, unless the Oilers are able to acquire enough good players that he's unnecessary. Just "filling out the top six" isn't a good enough reason for me, if that means you're playing Kassian or Shore or someone like that as 3RW.

As I said about Cogliano, a player doesn't have to believe they're the third best right winger on the team just because that's where they're slotted in, and hopefully, if handled well, it can be motivation for the player to excel and force the coach to move him up the lineup.

I definitely would not part with a player because he simply thinks he can be better than I think he can be. I'd just be encouraging him to go and prove me wrong and I'll eat crow. But we all know that's not the Oilers way...

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