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Re: Puljujarvi's Extension [message #809792 is a reply to message #809791 ]	Tue, 05 July 2022 12:29

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Adam wrote on Tue, 05 July 2022 11:21

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 July 2022 11:57

Because the Ducks had Getzlaf and Kessler already as their 1 & 2 centers, both of whom were established and better top 6 centers so Cogliano so he had not choice. He's been interviewed and said it ended up being the right role for him but at the time he didn't see it that way and he wasn't going to do it on the Oilers.

So I guess the Oilers could have kept him, forced him into the role they thought he should play and were right about, forced Cogliano to play a position he wanted nothing to do with. Have him be miserable and not play well or they could have moved him. If your argument is, the Oilers at the time didn't get enough for him, 100% they didn't. But I don't agree with keeping a player and try to force him to do something he has no interest in doing. It's not good for the team to have a guy who's unhappy, nor will you get good results from a miserable player.

Again, this is all incorrect. Cogliano's answered leading questions when pushed to say how the move to the Ducks helped him. He never said that he'd have never come to those conclusions with the Oilers.

The Oilers had Horcoff and Gagner at the point where they moved him, and they'd just drafted Nugent-Hopkins. So lots of reasons to think he wasn't going to be a top-6 center in that next year.

He had a solid 35 points on a terrible Oilers team in 2010-11. Good for 6th on the team, with Horcoff missing a lot of time with injury. He had a drop off in his first season with the Ducks with just 26 points, but even then, he'd have only been 8th on the Oilers. Certainly, scoring in that range should have made it an easy discussion that he was a 3rd line forward on merit for the Oilers, with some upside. His replacement, Eric Belanger, managed only 16 points in 78 games that year, so clearly the Oilers downgraded.

His point totals with Anaheim the next year (23 points in the 48 point shortened season) were pretty solid production. Not exactly someone completely pigeon-holed in to a checking forward role and he was 7th in scoring on a team that was actually quite healthy. It would have also made him 7th on the Oilers in that same season. Nugent-Hopkins and Hemsky both missed significant time with injury, so there would have been opportunities for a player like him to step up the lineup. (Belanger, had injuries too - playing in just 26 games, and tallying all of 3 assists.)

His third season with the Ducks he had 42 points, almost back to his career high (45) from his rookie season. He was 5th on the Ducks in scoring, so clearly no lesson about him being a third liner had sunk in here. He was playing as a second line player for the Ducks, because he had the ability to step up, and the team had some aging players and injuries. The Oilers had bought out Belanger by this time, and were getting close to giving up on Marco Roy too...

Also, the Ducks didn't get Kesler until the 14/15 season (Cogliano's 4th with the team). Looks like Saku Koivu was their 2nd line centre in Cogliano's first year there (and to be clear, this was close to the end of his career Saku Koivu, not prime Saku Koivu).

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

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Puljujarvi's Extension	By: AndersonRules on Fri, 10 June 2022 14:20
Re: Puljujarvi's Extension	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 10 June 2022 16:27
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