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Re: Puljujarvi's Extension [message #809655 is a reply to message #809653 ]	Thu, 30 June 2022 19:54

Kr55
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PlusOne wrote on Thu, 30 June 2022 19:09

JP is the latest but perhaps most perfect example of why I fear the Oilers with not win a cup any time soon.
I am not saying this because I think JP is elite. My fandom of him is well known but even those of us at the top of the fan club are often frustrated by his untapped potential.

Taking the emotion out of my thoughts on JP, and purely looking at this from an asset management point of view, is more what I am referring to.

JP;
- scored at a rate that us justified by his place in the lineup, salary and age.
- by every measure he was one of the better forwards defensively.
- is cost controlled

Those three basic points are proven quantifiably. His draft position, birth place, first language, favorite pizza play no part in that point of view.

The Oilers, at most points in the season, needed;
- secondary scoring
- better defensive play

JP checked those boxes

Going into this offseason it is well known the Oilers are tight to the cap.
- even with a modest raise, JP's numbers would still make him a fair price for his contribution.

If the rumors are true, and JP is traded for a pick, it would open up anther need that the team needs to fill with limited ability to do so.
- The pick the would receive is not likely to contribute for multiple season
- the cap savings wouldn't be enough to sign a replacement in FA
- I am not convinced that there is a player in the system ready to step in to his spot opening night.

That last one is likely the best chance but hoping an unproven young player can play an important role is a big gamble.

Back to my original statement regarding zero cup wins. This kind of asset management is not how a team takes the next step to being a true contender.
Every single time a useful piece is abandoned by the team it opens up a new hole in the roster. Good teams are finding ways in the offseason to negotiate the cap while keeping the best pieces in place.

There area number of obvious holes in the roster. There are spots that would be nice to improve. Moving JP for a draft pick will do nothing but create one more problem to solve while receiving back no way to do so.

The day the trade is announced, if it is for a pick, will be the day I will once again cast my vote for the Oilers to be a playoff team but not a true contender. This is what they have been, on paper, most years since McDavid.
They will continue to be just that until they learn the simplest of asset management lessons.

I hope at the very least we are going to trade for a decent player in a similar situation. As soon as I saw the same story with the Leafs and Mikheyev parting ways. Mikheyev is going to be UFA, so this would not be a 1:1, but if you had permission to agree to an extension with him, the Leafs only would have to add a little. Mikheyev fills a similar role, plays RW, good 2-way player, excellent PKer. Probably finishes better than Pulju. Not sure he is a guy you play on a top line, but very good middle-6 forward.

I could live with that kind of deal, considering what we're used to as Oilers fans.

Just a pick or picks though? Pitiful, and definitely a fresh sign we're not gonna make it.

[Updated on: Thu, 30 June 2022 20:15]

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- Lowe, 2013

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- MacT, 2015

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Puljujarvi's Extension	By: AndersonRules on Fri, 10 June 2022 14:20
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