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 Kr55
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 01 June 2022 04:50 |
A guy on LT's page wrote this.. listed the offside rule
In last nights case, as soon as the puck crosses the line it creates a "Delayed Offside" condition.. if Makar even just "attempts" to get possession of the puck while his teammate is still OFFSIDE, it triggers the automatic offside call. NHL Control doesn't even know their own rulebook.
According to the NHL rulebook.. that goal was OFFSIDE folks.
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Benign Bone
May 31, 2022 11:39 pm
Maybe I’ve missed something so feel free to chime in, but here’s what I’ve arrived at after a thorough analysis. Let’s start with Rule 83.1 Offside:
83.1 Off-side – Players of the attacking team must not precede the puck into the attacking zone.
The position of the player’s skates and not that of his stick shall be the determining factor in all instances in deciding an off-side. A player is off-side when both skates are completely over the leading edge of the blue line involved in the play.
A player is on-side when either of his skates are in contact with the blue line, or on his own side of the line, at the instant the puck completely crosses the leading edge of the blue line. On his own side of the line shall be defined by a “plane” of the blue line which shall extend from the leading edge of the blue line upwards. If a player’s skate has yet to break the “plane” prior to the puck completely crossing the leading edge, he is deemed to be on-side for the purpose of the off-side rule.
A player actually controlling the puck who shall cross the line ahead of the puck shall not be considered “off-side,” provided he had possession and control of the puck prior to his skates crossing the leading edge of the blue line.
If a player legally carries, passes or plays the puck back into his own defending zone while a player of the opposing team is in such defending zone, the off-side shall be ignored and play permitted to continue.
There’s actually nothing mentioned about puck control, possession, or puck contact; merely that the player must not precede the puck into the attacking zone. This doesn’t play in favour of either side of the argument, but acts as the basis we need to understand before reading the delayed offside rule.
83.3 Delayed Off-side – A situation where an attacking player (or players) has preceded the puck across the attacking blue line, but the defending team is in a position to bring the puck back out of its defending zone without any delay or contact with an attacking player, or, the attacking players are in the process of clearing the attacking zone. If an off-side call is delayed, the Linesman shall drop his arm to nullify the off-side violation and allow play to continue if:
(i) All players of the offending team clear the zone at the same instant (skate contact with the blue line) permitting the attacking players to re-enter the attacking zone, or
(ii) The defending team passes or carries the puck into the neutral zone.
If, during the course of the delayed off-side, any member of the attacking team touches the puck, attempts to gain possession of a loose puck, forces the defending puck carrier further back into his own zone, or who is about to make physical contact with the defending puck carrier, the Linesman shall stop play for the off-side violation.
As we have to be equally particular with this rule as we were regarding the lack of explicit mention of puck possession/control/contact in the initial offside rule, we also need to concede that the assumption that ‘Situation i’ would therefore be making is that any player would have to clear the zone prior to the PUCK merely entering the zone and not prior to the puck entering the zone under full control of his attacking teammate.
However, even operating within that interpretive grey area, one could and should just as easily interpret Makar’s objectively fully-controlled entry (w/o contacting the puck) as constituting an “attempt to gain possession of a loose puck”.
It’s disappointing that this goal and the ensuing PP proved to be the difference in the game. Best we can do is chalk it up as ‘NHL rulebook karma’ from the Coleman goal and move on.
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They probably need to fix the wording of the offside rule, but I think the delayed offside is a condition that the linesman needs to establish exists in real time and then start making the judgement if the attacking team isgoing after the puck too aggressively before touching up. I don’t think a delayed offside condition exists for the purpose of an offside review.
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