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Re: Benson is on waivers [message #802096 is a reply to message #802089 ]	Fri, 18 March 2022 17:11

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mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 18 March 2022 16:35

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 18 March 2022 11:33

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 17 March 2022 16:40

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 17 March 2022 15:27

If he is all that, and I am just making stuff up again, then why didn't someone pick him up? They could have had him for FREE. He didn't even have a contract for next year so there is no concern he would be blocking anyone else or cap concerns. 31 other teams said no thanks.

I mean Nedeljkovic passed through waivers at the beginning of last season, and I sure wish he were on the Oilers now. Waivers definitely don't always seem to make a lot of sense, with who gets claimed and who doesn't.

I do wonder if contract limits play a role as well in waivers. A lot of teams run pretty close to that 50-contract limit, and so unless you are quite confident that it is a player you want to add, you probably want to leave some flexibility, and might be reluctant to take gambles on players without another contract going back the other way. I imagine this is especially true near the deadline where buyers and sellers both want to create the most opportunity and flexibility they can to get the deals done that they need to.

I looked at capfriendly and there is 1 team - Canes - at 49 contracts. The bulk of the rest of the teams are in the 44-46/47 range. Seattle has 35. Arizona has 44 contracts and if you look at next season they have 10 players total signed for next season. So I don't think there taking on a contract is an issue for a lot of teams if they think he can help them. Plus as I said, at league minimum with maybe 1/4 of the season yet, the cap hit would be next to nothing and since he needs a new deal for next season, there is no risk of being forced to keep him. If you don't like him, just don't qualify him and let him walk and because you got him off waivers, you aren't out anything.

So if a team thought he could help them, there is literally zero risk.

I just remember when Derek Roy hit waivers and the Oilers passed only to trade Mark Arcobello for Derek Roy after he cleared. They could have had him for nothing, but chose to get him for something instead, simply because they didn't want to take on an extra contract. It was bizarre then, but it made me really start to believe how conservative a lot of GMs must operate. Not that the Oilers are a good blueprint for other organizations to emulate.

This is right. Add to that that taking someone on waivers means you need to keep them on your active roster, and everyone has their own prospects, most of whom they'll have some bias towards. To add someone off waivers, you need to have some comfort that they're significantly better than someone on your roster, since you'll in turn need to demote or move someone to make room.

Timing is also everything on these things. Someone who thinks they may add pieces on deadline day is unlikely to add an extra guy who they would just be waiving again in a couple days to make room for the new acquisition.

There have been a lot of good players who've gone through waivers and turned out to be decent, so it's not as simple an equation as "he didn't get claimed ergo he sucks and I hate him" as some people like to make it out to be.

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Benson is on waivers	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 16 March 2022 12:12
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: inverno76 on Wed, 16 March 2022 12:31
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 16 March 2022 12:44
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: mightyreasoner on Wed, 16 March 2022 13:34
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 16 March 2022 14:20
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: mightyreasoner on Wed, 16 March 2022 14:43
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: Kr55 on Wed, 16 March 2022 14:44
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: mightyreasoner on Wed, 16 March 2022 14:58
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: Adam on Wed, 16 March 2022 15:30
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: benv on Wed, 16 March 2022 15:42
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: Adam on Wed, 16 March 2022 15:50
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: smyth260 on Wed, 16 March 2022 15:10
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 16 March 2022 15:16
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: smyth260 on Wed, 16 March 2022 15:21
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 16 March 2022 15:36
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: CrudeRemarks on Wed, 16 March 2022 22:10
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: Kr55 on Thu, 17 March 2022 00:41
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: clutchlikeeberle on Thu, 17 March 2022 06:49
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: CrusaderPi on Thu, 17 March 2022 08:51
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 17 March 2022 08:00
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: inverno76 on Thu, 17 March 2022 08:25
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: Kr55 on Thu, 17 March 2022 08:37
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 17 March 2022 08:41
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: inverno76 on Thu, 17 March 2022 08:47
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 17 March 2022 09:00
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: Adam on Thu, 17 March 2022 10:04
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 17 March 2022 10:20
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: Adam on Thu, 17 March 2022 10:44
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 17 March 2022 11:13
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: Adam on Thu, 17 March 2022 11:56
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: sinfulchimp306 on Thu, 17 March 2022 12:34
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: Adam on Thu, 17 March 2022 12:49
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 17 March 2022 14:26
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: mightyreasoner on Thu, 17 March 2022 14:40
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: benv on Thu, 17 March 2022 15:05
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 17 March 2022 15:11
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: Skookum Jim on Thu, 17 March 2022 15:32
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 17 March 2022 15:36
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: mightyreasoner on Thu, 17 March 2022 16:32
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: Adam on Thu, 17 March 2022 15:23
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 17 March 2022 14:25
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: Adam on Thu, 17 March 2022 15:19
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 17 March 2022 15:27
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: mightyreasoner on Thu, 17 March 2022 16:40
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 18 March 2022 11:33
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: mightyreasoner on Fri, 18 March 2022 16:35
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: CrudeRemarks on Fri, 18 March 2022 16:47
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: Adam on Fri, 18 March 2022 17:11
Re: Benson is on waivers	By: Dragon_Matt on Thu, 17 March 2022 15:24

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