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Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone [message #799565 is a reply to message #799561 ]	Fri, 11 February 2022 10:32

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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 11 February 2022 10:03

welcometotheOC wrote on Fri, 11 February 2022 09:38

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 11 February 2022 08:55

Goose wrote on Thu, 10 February 2022 18:10

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 10 February 2022 15:06

Benson doesn't have a dimension. I have asked probably a dozen times every time I see someone go on a rant about he needs to play. What does he do other than give other players a breather. Does a player not at some point need to produce something that would show up on a score sheet? He doesn't score, rarely shoots, he's good for just over a hit a game. Awesome. So that means he's a good NHLer? Other than being from Edmonton which would make it a cool story, explain to me what he does?

Woodcroft is now the coach. He worked with Benson since he became a pro. So if there is anyone that know what he can do, it's Woodcroft. I would assume Woodcrofts goal is to be the Oilers coach after this season so I would assume he wants to win as many games as he can and will want to play the players he thinks give him the best chance to win. So I guess we will see if Woodcroft plays Benson because he thinks he's an NHLer. If he does and Benson does great, I will gladly admit I was wrong about Benson just like I did with JP.

I've said it before, he's probably the best forward passer on the team outside of McDavid/Drai/RNH. I think he's more physical than you give him credit for. You can keep saying that he's just over a hit a game and ignore the context that he only plays 8 min a night. He has the 3rd most hits/60 of anyone on the team.

And yes, of course you would like to see him produce more. But he's 23 and just getting started in the NHL. We know what the ceiling is for Turris/Shore/etc. Benson has done everything you could ask of a guy at the AHL. If the Oilers were a Cup contending team with a bottom 6 that wasn't bleeding goals on a nightly basis, then I could see an argument for not playing him if he's not producing. But honestly, how much worse do you think the Oilers are with Benson in the lineup over Turris. Don't you think it would make sense to give the guy a run of games to see what he can do and let him play 10-12min a night? He's averaging 3-4 shifts per period. You can't honestly think that playing for :45 and then sitting for 6min is an ideal situation.

The issue that I have with not playing Benson isn't that I think he's a superstar in the making. It's that I think that there's a very real possibility that he could be a legit NHL forward and has upside, and the Oilers are never going to find out if that's true or not based on his deployment and who they're playing in front of him.

We clearly feel differently about this team.

I want the Oilers to win, period. The time for try outs was preseason and early in the year, not with 38 games left. The time for players to establish what they bring to the team was preseason and early in the year, not with 38 games left. I expected the Oilers to be in top 3 easy regardless of the roster flaws. I look at the roster today and even with the flaws, they should be in the top 3 right now in my opinion. They have a ton of key guys flat out not playing well, that's how I feel.

With Benson. Yes I understand its hard to make an impact when you don't get a lot of playing time. I get it. But that isn't an excuse. He's got a guy on his team in Perlini who plays with the same players, gets the same ice time, gets the same lack of time on special teams, even has almost play in the same amount of games. He has 4 goals, 5 pts getting next to no time, Benson has 1 freaking assist. So telling me that it's all because of a lack of opportunity or ice time is BS to me because there is a guy right on his team that Benson probably skates with daily doing it. So it can be done. Benson has not seized the opportunity.

I also so not buy that Tippett is his mean, completely stupid guy holding Benson back. Did Tippett have his flaws, hell yes he did. If he didn't, he'd still have a job today. But if Benson could fill a roll on the team, he'd be playing. If you look at the Oilers stat sheet, there are a whole bunch of pretty mediocre at best players who have all played similar amount of games which tells me that Tippett, flaws and all was looking for some guys to step up and do a job. I will try this buy, nope, try him, nope, try him, nope, back to this guy, repeat.

So as a fed up Oilers fan, I am not looking for more try outs. Try outs at this point in the season are what losing teams do for next year. I am looking for solutions. So decide on what you want/need for the bottom, then either look on your team and use that or go get it. I do not think trying guys out and hoping they fit is the answer. It's can they do it or not for me. I'm not in the mood to trying to create positions for a player who don't have the natural skill set to fill the roles they lack. Now Woodcroft should know Benson the best. He was his head coach his entire time in Bakersfield. He developed Benson. So if Woodcroft doesn't play him, then I think we have the answer and everyone should let it go.

You are ignoring the experience level of Perlini and Benson - Benson is practically a rookie while Perlini is a veteran who has a history of inconsistency and lack of focus. Benson hasn't even had a chance to establish what he is yet, but his passing skill is clear whenever he is on the ice with the plumbers.

He will be 24 years old in a month, he's not 19. He's in his 5th year of pro hockey. Tons of guys year after year for all kinds of teams that have played in the minors for similar amounts of time step right in and make an impact.

That's awesome he's such a great passer, when does it result in production on the ice? I bet there are tons of players in leagues all over the world who are great passer or have amazing shots but at some point doesn't it have to result in production? He's got 1 assist in 19 games. If Benson was a guy the Oilers plucked off waivers when teams were finalizing their rosters to start the season, I highly doubt fans would be dying to have him in the line up or creating excuses why he hasn't produced anything yet. They'd be saying he's a waste of a roster spot and time to get someone else. But because he's a draft pick and an Edmonton guy, all of a sudden the narrative changes.

I got nothing against the guy. I want every single draft pick to work out because if they do, its better for the Oilers. But at some point the excuses have to stop and he has to do something regardless of ice time. IF/when he gets on the ice, he needs to make an impact to garner more ice time. Like I said, with his old AHL coach and guy that helped develop him as the boss now, if he can't get into the line up, that should tell you all we need to know.

Again plays with plumbers. Continue to ignore the comparison that Perlini that you started when it doesn't support your bias against Benson. How old is Perlini again and more importantly, how many NHL games has he played compared to Benson? How many minutes?

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Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: smyth260 on Thu, 10 February 2022 12:29
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: Adam on Thu, 10 February 2022 12:47
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: Oscargasm on Thu, 10 February 2022 12:49
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: Adam on Thu, 10 February 2022 13:08
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: Oscargasm on Thu, 10 February 2022 13:10
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: Adam on Thu, 10 February 2022 13:24
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 10 February 2022 13:35
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: Adam on Thu, 10 February 2022 13:37
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: inverno76 on Thu, 10 February 2022 14:00
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: Kr55 on Thu, 10 February 2022 14:03
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 10 February 2022 14:38
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: mightyreasoner on Thu, 10 February 2022 14:51
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: Adam on Thu, 10 February 2022 14:52
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 10 February 2022 15:51
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: CrudeRemarks on Thu, 10 February 2022 15:59
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 10 February 2022 16:11
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: Adam on Thu, 10 February 2022 16:15
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: Iamheretoday on Thu, 10 February 2022 17:18
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: Goose on Thu, 10 February 2022 15:05
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 10 February 2022 16:06
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: welcometotheOC on Thu, 10 February 2022 16:13
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: Goose on Thu, 10 February 2022 18:10
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: Kr55 on Thu, 10 February 2022 18:29
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 11 February 2022 08:55
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: welcometotheOC on Fri, 11 February 2022 09:38
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 11 February 2022 10:03
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: welcometotheOC on Fri, 11 February 2022 10:32
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 11 February 2022 10:41
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: inverno76 on Fri, 11 February 2022 10:05
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: K.McC#24 on Thu, 10 February 2022 23:26
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: Oscargasm on Thu, 10 February 2022 13:46
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: Adam on Thu, 10 February 2022 14:25
Re: Oilers Sign Brad Malone	By: Oscargasm on Fri, 11 February 2022 12:05

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