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Re: Pregame: Minnesota @ Edmonton (Game #24) [message #795590 is a reply to message #795587 ]	Tue, 07 December 2021 15:47

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Adam wrote on Tue, 07 December 2021 15:34

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 07 December 2021 10:34

Lagesson already had to pass through waivers out of camp. So any team could have him for free. I don't think Lagesson has any value.

I think we're going to see a fair amount of comments like this on Lagesson given that his agent complained, and Oilers fans generally circle the wagons. No one criticizes our coaches or management but us! Worth noting, the underlying numbers for Lagesson were quite good in his couple appearances this year. Small sample size, but even so, he outperformed his other call-ups on those bases.

Walsh isn't subtle and rubs some people the wrong way, but he definitely goes to bat for his clients. I think some of what he says has some merit. I don't think that's how I would approach this particular situation, but I understand the strategy. They are fearing that he's buried in the depth chart now, and that actual play isn't likely to change that. He hasn't been on the roster for 30 days, so the Oilers could demote him without facing waivers again.

Walsh has flagged that his client had strong numbers and is open to moving on. He's also slapped a team that's notoriously thin-skinned, which could result in them making a quick trade for virtually nothing, or even putting him through waivers again where he may or may not get claimed even though they don't have to. Lagesson was in Edmonton all year last year, despite being played sparingly, so he may feel that the team is mismanaging the young player - we all know that the Oilers would never do such a thing, right? Walsh doesn't care about fan approval - he just tries to advance the interests of his client (which really is his only job). We will see if his gambit works this time.

With regards to what the Oilers SHOULD do? I would not waive him if I don't have to, and I wouldn't trade him for nothing either. Our left side is full of old, crappy, injury prone and/or inexperienced defencemen, and so I would not erode the depth without a good reason to do so. I don't like the chances of Lagesson being an Oiler past this year, but I don't flush him just because he's angry.

I do think they should look at whether the communication from coach to players is good though. If there is a real disconnect there, then it probably should be addressed.

I listened to the Oilers' post game driving home from the game on Sunday, and Rob Brown pointed out that there was nothing unusual about what happened with Lagesson (as a former player it happened to him many times). If a player (in this case Nurse) is potentially on the bubble to start and they want to see how he feels after warm-up, you never inform the player (in this case Lagesson) apriori that he will be the scratch if Nurse can go since it will affect how he prepares for the game. So once it was determined that Nurse was good to go, the trainers informed Lagesson that he was the odd man out. This is standard procedure as the coach has better things to do at this point as he's preparing for the game.

So whatever Tippet's communication relationships with his players are, there doesn't seem to be anything unusual that happened on Sunday, despite what Walsh said in his tweet.

That would lead you to think there is more to the story, no?

This isn't coming out of no where, and the player has to know if his agent is going to do something that in most towns would create a firestorm (only hasn't here because the media guys are all good soldiers who don't run with stories the Oilers don't want covered).

Walsh is known to mouth off. This screams to me a player who doesn't want to admit he's been passed on the depth chart. He's 25, going to be 26 in February and hasn't been able to establish himself in the NHL so he is grasping at straws and has an agent who likes to mouth off and play the victim card for his clients.

Here's the truth. He's at best a #7 dman and realistically probably an 8 or 9 on most teams. When fully heathy, there is no place for him on the roster what so ever and I do not think there is a single NHL GM who would disagree with me. Based on all of the scouting reports from this season, he hasn't even been the best dman in the AHL team like a guy who's if he was truly a legit NHL guy, he should be. He got called up based on the benefit of the doubt and experience. I personally have seen enough to know what he's about and I would not want him standing in front of Broberg or Niemelainen or Samorukov. So if he wants to go down to Bakersfield and play there, great. If not, bye bye. I could be wrong about the guy and if I am then surely some GM will gladly offer whatever pick to get him.

Here is a question and I am sure you won't answer it. You are the GM of whatever team you like in the NHL, what would you give up in trade to get Lagesson on your team because I bet the cost is very little.

This is not mouthing off and it isn't a temper tantrum. Everything that Walsh does for his clients has a purpose. He believes he can help his client with this. As I said, if I'm the player, this probably isn't the approach I take, but A) we don't know what else has gone on between coach and player, and B) they may feel this is the time for him to make his move.

I can't really hold it against anyone to do what they feel is right for their career.

I think Lagesson is somewhat limited but serviceable. He's a low-event player, and that has some value. I also think that the stats that Walsh provided are good context. He outplayed the other LHD in the couple games he played. By the numbers, he probably didn't deserve to be the one coming out. Thems the breaks, and the coach ultimately makes the decisions, but I understand what Walsh is trying to do.

If I was a GM, I wouldn't give up anything for Lagesson - I'd wait to see if he becomes available for free though. I disagree with you on what he does well. You think nothing, I think he's a capable defender with limited offensive upside. There's a spot for that kind of player on a lot of teams - although he's a bubble guy with only 31 NHL games experience, so no one is going to make a big bet on him. They won't have to if Walsh gets his way though. He's trying to convince the Oilers to either trade him for next to nothing or to waive him again (possibly because he knows a certain GM would pick him up if he hits the wires).

I guess we will find out then if other GM's think he has any value. The Oilers waived him so any GM could have had him for free but no one took what you are calling a serviceable dman that many teams could use. I am of the opinion that if a team thinks the way you do, giving up a 6th or 7th round pick which is basically nothing because its been proven based on decades of draft picks that the likelihood late round picks amount to anything at all is extremely unlikely, would be well worth it if he is indeed like you said. To me, if he is like you say he is, giving up a low round pick which in all likelihood will amount to nothing for a NHLer would be something a smart GM would jump at and look like a genius.

But I bet, that never happens and then at the end of this year when Lagesson refuses his qualifying offer assuming the Oilers even give him one at all. he will be a UFA, not get a single contract from any teams and it will be announced that he signs a multi year deal with one of the Swedish teams just like Nygard.

I am not an excuses person who comes here and quotes whatever information they can come up with and then when that doesn't work, defaults to "NHL GM's and coaches are too old school or dumb", I am a results person. If a guy can play and help the team win, then he will play. So if I happen to be wrong and Lagesson goes on to have a NHL career, I won't make up excuses, I will gladly admit I was wrong. So we shall see.

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