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Re: Pregame: Minnesota @ Edmonton (Game #24) [message #795580 is a reply to message #795574 ]	Tue, 07 December 2021 12:51

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Adam wrote on Tue, 07 December 2021 12:10

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 07 December 2021 10:34

Lagesson already had to pass through waivers out of camp. So any team could have him for free. I don't think Lagesson has any value.

I think we're going to see a fair amount of comments like this on Lagesson given that his agent complained, and Oilers fans generally circle the wagons. No one criticizes our coaches or management but us! Worth noting, the underlying numbers for Lagesson were quite good in his couple appearances this year. Small sample size, but even so, he outperformed his other call-ups on those bases.

Walsh isn't subtle and rubs some people the wrong way, but he definitely goes to bat for his clients. I think some of what he says has some merit. I don't think that's how I would approach this particular situation, but I understand the strategy. They are fearing that he's buried in the depth chart now, and that actual play isn't likely to change that. He hasn't been on the roster for 30 days, so the Oilers could demote him without facing waivers again.

Walsh has flagged that his client had strong numbers and is open to moving on. He's also slapped a team that's notoriously thin-skinned, which could result in them making a quick trade for virtually nothing, or even putting him through waivers again where he may or may not get claimed even though they don't have to. Lagesson was in Edmonton all year last year, despite being played sparingly, so he may feel that the team is mismanaging the young player - we all know that the Oilers would never do such a thing, right? Walsh doesn't care about fan approval - he just tries to advance the interests of his client (which really is his only job). We will see if his gambit works this time.

With regards to what the Oilers SHOULD do? I would not waive him if I don't have to, and I wouldn't trade him for nothing either. Our left side is full of old, crappy, injury prone and/or inexperienced defencemen, and so I would not erode the depth without a good reason to do so. I don't like the chances of Lagesson being an Oiler past this year, but I don't flush him just because he's angry.

I do think they should look at whether the communication from coach to players is good though. If there is a real disconnect there, then it probably should be addressed.

Just my opinion but I believe to be an effective NHLer, you have to do something and have some kind of dimension. If you are supposed to score, you score. If you are supposed to hit, you hit, For a dman, if your dimension is to skate well and move the puck, you need to do that. If you are a defensive dman, you better defend well. Just going out there and existing isn't enough in my opinion.

I look at Lagesson and I can't figure out what his dimension is or what he does well. He doesn't score points, he's not a puck mover, his skating is just meh at best, he's not physical, he's not tough, he's not hard to play against and his defending is mediocre at best. Now I know you don't value hitting or being tough or hard to play against but I assume things like defending, skating well, moving the puck and scoring points are all things that you think a dman should have some of. I know I am typically always wrong and you are always right but if none of what I listed are skills a dman is supposed to have, then please educate me as to what a dman is supposed to do when he is on the ice.

So when I look at Lagesson and he seems to do NONE of what I listed on a consistent basis overly well, to me he looks like a guy who's just there. So I don't see a player who the Oilers are in danger of losing because I think every team has a Lagesson or multiple Lagesson's in their organization and in my opinion, keeping a guy who really doesn't do anything overly well other than exist seems like a waste of a roster spot. When I look at a player and what their "value" might be, I flip the scenario around and ask "if Lagesson was available, would I want the Oilers to give up any kind of asset to get him?" The answer for me at least is no. Would I be happy they got him off waivers? The answer would be no because I would see him as blocking someone else who could be better.

To your comment about Tippett not telling him he was out and it being this terrible thing. Now I know you don't value the information from Ex players at all because you know more than guys that actually played in the NHL but according to Strudwick who was a 6/7 dman for his whole career, he was often told by the defense coach, not the head coach if he was playing. According to reports, Lagesson was told by Playfair. Take it for what it's worth but he wasn't just left twisting in the wind with no information. What Walsh said was another twisting of the truth to make it sound more horrible than it was.

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Re: Pregame: Minnesota @ Edmonton (Game #24)	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 07 December 2021 09:12
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