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Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #23) [message #795533 is a reply to message #795527 ]	Mon, 06 December 2021 11:03

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Adam wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 10:20

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 10:02

The problem with the continuous bad starts is in my opinion, it has to come from the top guys. Those guys need to set the tempo. If they come out guns a blazing, it will trickle down to rest. Bad starts have been a problem for a very, very long time with multiple coaches. It's a mindset that the big boys need to change. As an example, Nuge is in his 11th year as an Oiler and bad starts have been a thing since he started. I am not pinning it on him what so ever but just using him as an example of the top guys needing a mindset change.

While I know you love using Nugent-Hopkins as a whipping boy, I don't think that it's fair to say there's been 11 years of bad starts. That's not something I think you could objectively point to. There's been times where they've started well, and times where they have not.

It's a tough thing to fully define - if you looked just at who scored first, you have to remember that if it was even distribution than you'd expect that to be about 50% - and even then, that's a bad definition: you can start well and still be scored on first.

I think it makes more sense to look at the recent sample and try and diagnose that, rather than to make a sweeping generalization. They've got outshot starting the game badly in several games lately, so why is that. Is there a feeling in process? Are they worried about goaltending, so cheating for defence rather than attacking? Is there something wrong with the system they have been coached to play?

It is a team game, so I think bad starts are on everyone, and since it's so often (including last night) the depth guys getting scored on, I don't think you can simply point at the top players and say it's their responsibility to be better. Remember - two of those guys are leading the league in points and your favourite Nugent-Hopkins is on a point-per-game pace still.

If I was going to diagnose it - I think a big part of the problem is that the 5-on-5 system is weak - to the point where McDavid is only +9 and Nuge only +4 despite both being pretty good players this year. It's noticeable at the start of the game because there haven't been any special teams usually at that point, but I think it's actually more persistent than we notice - just that we have a couple players who tilt the ice, and when we get a powerplay, we get a ton of chances, shots and usually goals.

In short, I don't blame the top players for this.

I literally said I am not pinning the bad starts on him. FIRST paragraph! Then you follow it up with "I know you like to use Nuge as a whipping boy." You want to know why I get bent out of shape from time to time with your responses, there is exhibit A. I freaking qualify what I am saying with a statement and then you stuff words in my mouth saying I am doing the opposite.

The entire point was I don't think it's coaching which I also said in my statement. I used Nuge as an example only because he's been here for 11 yrs and is the longest standing Oiler. In his 11 yrs there have been many coaches yet the Oilers tend to have poor starts year after year. So I don't think this is a problem that a coach can just coach out of the players. They as a team have to want to come out guns a blazing. I also think it's on the top guys because they play the most. Lots of times one of the top lines starts the game. So asking the 4th line to get the team off to a good start when by the time they get in their first shift the game is probably 4+ mins old, I do not think is realistic.

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