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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Arizona (Game #19) [message #795094 is a reply to message #795091 ]	Fri, 26 November 2021 16:44

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Adam wrote on Fri, 26 November 2021 16:41

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 26 November 2021 11:56

MacKinnon and Pasta were both on the record as well saying they didn't care about money and just wanted a deal. Lucky for Colorado and Boston, as well as how Pasta was the 3rd best player on his line consistently up until his contract and the other 2 guys were on bargain deals. So surprise that kind respectful young lad ended up with an AAV right around Bergeron and Marchand. If only every player had that attitude! Some do, most don't. Nate at 6.3M with a mediocre year on one of the worst performing teams ever in 16/17 may have actually helped lift Drai's contract too.

Is what it is. Drai clearly went in wanting to cash in on his crazy playoff run carrying Looch and Slepyshev by some crazy run of magic luck. He let McDavid sign first to help his negotiation. Stood his ground, never know what offer sheets he had on the table as well. We insisted on 8 years and can just be thankful now it worked out like it did.

Chia sucks at negotiating and I'm sure Lucky Lou could have done a way better job, but hey, at least the Leafs completely destroyed their rebuild even worse with Dumbas' terrible negotiating :)

For our cap issues Chia made, Drai getting maybe 1M more than Lou would have given him for 8 years is barely even on the list.

It's a moot point now, and I don't know why it's being re-hashed. Chiarelli definitely didn't get any bargain with Draisaitl, and he probably should have - saying McDavid isn't signing for everything he got, and that if everyone leaves a little money on the table they can afford to surround them with better players. There were comparables that could have been used to try to move Draisaitl's camp, but his agent was smart - and floated rumours of teams eyeing an offer sheet, and Chiarelli caved. It also undercut the ability of the team to tell people they needed to take a discount when they paid a premium to both Russell and Gryba that summer - even after Gryba was a healthy scratch in all but two playoff games. If I'm Draisaitl, I'm not taking a discount if I see you blowing that money foolishly.

It's probably worth wondering why the Oilers hadn't pulled out the cheque book and signed an extension a year earlier for $5-6MM/season for 3-4 years. It would have helped in the short term anyhow, although maybe would have been worse for us now.

Doesn't really matter though. Leon's been earning his money now. He's probably become a value contract simply by outperforming all expectations.

With regards to the Leafs, I do wonder how much of their cap issues aren't a tax for hanging on to Babcock. If he's not there, do Matthews and Marner put the gun to the team's head?

I'm not sure Babcock should take much blame for what Matthews and Marner got. Matthews is 100% the kind of guy that wants to extract max value. I don't think he's married to the Leafs at all. Max value, shorter term to keep his options opened in case his modeling career really takes off and the USA has better opportunities. He wanted it, he got it, Dubas folded.

Marner got totally screwed over by Lucky Lou, losing out on millions of bonus money because Lou convinced him to remove bonuses that every top pick got. Marner came in hot for his negotiation, only Lou wasn't there to follow up. Dubas folded again. Nylander, another guy that totally seems like the type that wants max value. Been rich his whole life, he wanted what he feels he has deserved since he was a kid. Dubas was handicapped as well for all these negotiations with his Tavares contract.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Arizona (Game #19)	By: Kr55 on Fri, 26 November 2021 11:56
Re: Review: Edmonton @ Arizona (Game #19)	By: Adam on Fri, 26 November 2021 16:41
Re: Review: Edmonton @ Arizona (Game #19)	By: Kr55 on Fri, 26 November 2021 16:44
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