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Re: Pregame: Winnipeg @ Edmonton (Game #16) [message #794689 is a reply to message #794677 ]	Thu, 18 November 2021 17:29

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 18 November 2021 13:12

So what are you saying to me, that nothing Shore did has any value what so ever?

I am not saying Shore is the key to the Oilers PK. He's not. But the point is he's played on it and contributed something to it. Whether it's 1 shift or 5, who cares. The point is, he CAN do it and he's done it. The Oilers deploy a fair amount of top 6 guys in the PK. Hyman, Nuge, Yamo. But if one of the Oilers main PK guys goes down in a game, (it does happen), or they need a break, he could be used on the PK and most likely can because he's done it before successfully.

You downplay his faceoffs because in your estimate he doesn't do enough. The Oilers don't play their 4th line a hell of a lot. So he doesn't get the opportunity to do them a lot. BUT. HE CAN DO THEM. He's at 53.66% this year and was 52.78% last season. So he's shown an ability to win a faceoff. The Oilers lost an OT game last playoff right off a faceoff loss because Khaira sucked at them. So if the Oilers get an icing and the 4th line is out there, there's a good chance Shore could win you a draw and get you out of your zone. Benson can't do that.

I am no a Shore lover but in the just over 8 mins of ice time he gets, his stat line says he can do something for your team. He's scored a goal, blocked some shots, won some draws. Benson has ZERO'S in his stat line. ZERO'S in very similar ice time. Take away the 48 seconds of PK time you basically think is meaningless and the 2 guys almost play exactly the same time on ice. Shore as some stats, Benson has ZERO.

In my opinion, you can't have a player no matter how much ice time they get contribute absolutely nothing on the ice. So if you only get 7 mins of ice time, then try to make that 7 mins as impactful as you can. DO SOMETHING when you are out there. All I hear over and over again about Benson is "Well he scored in the AHL". SO WHAT. There are 100's if not 1000's of players over the years who scored lots of points in the AHL and did nothing in the NHL. Benson has to go out there on the ice and freaking do something. He's got 3 shots on goal in 5 games. Play with some desperation.

Answer me this.

What exactly other than having good AHL stats has Benson done to date? I have nothing against the guy. The bottom 6 could use better players but is it not the job of the actual player to seize opportunity? Benson is in the game tonight. So if he puts up zeros again, who's fault is that other than his own?

No, I'm not saying that anything that Shore does has no value. What I'm saying is that any value he provides is erased,and then some, by the extremely bad results he has in terms of goal differential. And this isn't just a one off, he had one good year (his first full year in Dallas), one okay year in 18/19 and the rest of his career has been at 40% or less, which is terrible. Like I said previously, he's literally one of the worst forwards in the league by this metric over the past 3 years. And he hasn't just been on a run of bad luck, his shot metrics have also been terrible. Like what does it matter if he wins 60% of his faceoffs in a game if his line is on the ice for 2 goals against in 9 minutes of ice time?

I'm open to the idea that Dave Tippett shares some of the blame here as the Oilers in general are terrible in the bottom 6, despite switching out a bunch of personnel. But there is nothing in Shore's history that indicates he has a lot of upside here. He's played 334 NHL games, this is who he is.

As for Benson, it's totally fair to say that he hasn't done anything of note at the NHL level. But he's played 12 games. I would think that you, of all people, would be hesitant to write off a player after a very small NHL sample. I'm not saying he needs to be guaranteed a job, but scoring a point per game in the AHL isn't nothing. Maybe, as you say, there are a lot of guys that were able to score at the AHL level that were never able to make the jump to the NHL. But there are also a lot of guys that spent time in the AHL, had success, and then became productive players in the NHL. I know it's hard to imagine because the Oilers seem to find it impossible to draft anyone outside of the first round and develop them in the AHL, but hopefully that is changing. So let the guy have 4-5 games in a row with decent minutes, ideally play him with McLeod whom he has some familiarity with (but I don't think this is a necessity), and see what he can do playing against other team's 4th lines.

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

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Pregame: Winnipeg @ Edmonton (Game #16)	By: OilFans on Thu, 18 November 2021 02:00
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