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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Vegas (Game #5) [message #793490 is a reply to message #793489 ]	Mon, 25 October 2021 18:46

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 25 October 2021 20:19

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 25 October 2021 08:21

Here is a question for you. If before last years season someone came to you and said, in the 21-22 Bouchard to start the year looking like a legit stud, at worse top 3, right shot dman but the trade off is they did what they did with him last year. In doing that, the Oilers were a good team last year, made the playoffs but lost out no because the defense was bad, it was because they couldn't score. Would you take that? I sure would.

I don't know if how they handled Bouchard last year was completely right but I do know it sure didn't hurt him. I do know that by all accounts whatever they did last year, helped him improve. I don't know if he would have just improved anyway, I doubt it but he could have. I don't know if he played more, he'd be that much better. He's been more than I ever could have expected so I don't know how he could me much better but maybe he could. All I know is, he was drafted by the Oilers, they slow played the crap out of him, maybe more than I personally would have liked but he looks fantastic, so far everything I had hoped he would be when he was drafted so I am having a hard time being upset with how the Oilers handled him at all if this is the end results.

No, I wouldn't take that at all. It was dumb when they did it and it's still dumb now.

The other thing that we haven't talked about is the management perspective. Maybe if they had played him more, Holland would have realized that Bouchard was ready for a bigger role (let's not forget, he started the season on the 3rd pairing, so obviously even his own coaches and GM didn't know how good he was). And then maybe when Larsson walked, maybe Holland doesn't panic and think he needs to trade Bear because he HAS to re-sign Barrie to play with Nurse because he doesn't think (incorrectly imo) that Bear is up to the task.

Yeah:

Nurse/Bouchard
Keith/Bear

looks WAYYYY better than

Nurse/Barrie
Keith/Ceci

But there was no way to know that going into this year because, well we didn't get to see Bouchard, even when there was absolutely nothing left to gain or lose. It was a management miscue, regardless how well Bouchard plays this year.

The crazy thing is that we're paying Ceci $3.25MM, while Bear would just have been $2MM this year. Not only did we shoot ourselves in the foot, but we wasted over $1MM of cap space at the same time.

If you don't sign Barrie, and instead get a third pairing right shot D-man, then we're even better off cap-wise and even with the unforced error on Keith, we have $3-4MM that could have gone towards goaltending.

I may actually trust Ceci out there more than Barrie. In my mind the argument is more Barrie vs Bear than Ceci vs Bear.

Bear has always put up spectacular results playing weaker comp on a 3rd pair. I don't actually trust Barrie much as a 3rd pair guy. I also think Nurse looks just as good as Barrie on the PP, and Bouch will likely be even better.

Bear/Ceci/Bouch would have been fine with me on the right side. I'm saying this with the benefit of seeing Ceci more in our group. From what I've seen he actually plays a lot like Larsson. Maybe less nasty, but with better wheels. Larsson had to keep adding more nasty though because his wheels are kinda busted. And of course the benefit of seeing Bouch actually play. That's none of our fault though not knowing what he would bring yet. I don't give a pass to Holland or Tippett though for having no clue, they had all the time in the world last year.

One part here to remember is that we didn't lose Bear for nothing, but we kept an asset in Barrie. I like Bear more than Barrie, but if you are making the argument of Bear vs Barrie then it is actually Bear plus maybe a free agent vs Barrie plus Foegele. Foegele gives of a complete 3rd line for the first time in years, which is pretty valuable. Plus we still have an asset in Barrie who last season led all defender in scoring, that has to have some value still. So the x-factor is who do you think Holland would have signed instead of Barrie to fill in the gap on the 3rd line, and would they have been as good as Foegele as looked so far (as much as you can judge 5 games in)?

I have always liked Barrie, and while I think that he has had a really poor start to the season, I think that it is better to have him then to not have him. I miss Bear, but this season I think it is better to have Foegele then Bear.

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