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Re: Oilers to Require Vaccination / Negative Test [message #791490 is a reply to message #791483 ]	Fri, 27 August 2021 16:37

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Goose wrote on Fri, 27 August 2021 11:23

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 27 August 2021 10:00

I wasn't saying take time away from work because I understand for some it would be hard to get time off or they can't afford too. What about after you are done work? Weekends, days you have off? I think most grocery stores in the states have a pharmacy in them so book a time when it's your grocery buying day. I assume these people have to go to a store at some point in a month.
I think here (RD) they were running the clinics from 8am to 8 pm for shots 7 days a week. My wife is not a nurse but an AHS worker so when the first clinics came out, there was a call to all AHS workers to pick up shifts. So she did some on a weekends and nights and they were going to 8pm.

The point is, if you make something a priority then most people will find away to do it. In my opinion, for anyone who is not dead set against getting it, if your plan is to get but to get it, every possible thing aligns perfectly in your life, then it won't ever happen because there is always going to be a reason not to do something unless you feel it's really important. If you think it's really important, people find a way.

I don't know, maybe there are people out there who have circumstances that are different than yours. There are definitely people that work multiple jobs and have to work 7 days a week, on top of having kids, etc. And maybe live in places that don't have as easy access to the vaccine that you had.

And yes, of course, I'm sure it's technically possible that they could still get a shot. But if you put up enough barriers then people just aren't going to prioritize it. You said it took you 20min to get your shot, easy peasy, right? Everyone should do it. But what if it wasn't 20min, what if it was 2 or 3 hours and you had to take 2 busses to get there? And you live in a town where the pharmacy closes at 6pm, so you need to book off work a couple hours early to get there and still have time to get to your kids daycare on time to pick them up. And now, because you had to take time off of work, you have to choose between getting the shot and paying your bus fare for the week because you're paycheque to paycheque and every dollar matters. Do you think that might impact your decision?

Or we can just assume that everyone that said they were more likely to get the shot if they were to get paid time off to do it is just lying I guess.

And even putting all of that aside, the business is benefitting from their employees being vaccinated in terms of less people having to take time off work because they're sick, and avoiding outbreaks that might impact their ability to operate or customer confidence. Personally, I think it's a good investment for the business to pay $40/employee or whatever to give employees a couple hours off to get the shot to greatly reduce the chance that they need to shutdown due to a Covid outbreak.

I think it's easy to assume people's situations are the same as ours, but the fact is that there's a pretty significant percentage of the population who really struggle to get by, and for whom something out of the ordinary is really a bigger challenge than for most of us in here. With some luck we'll never know that kind of struggle. I have some sympathy for people in that situation though, and I'll give them a bit of a pass. I do think Goose is right - there's a tangible benefit to employers to having their employees vaccinated, so find a way to swallow that cost to make it happen.

If your employer has ever had in-house flu shots, it's the same calculus they're making. They pay for the mobile clinic to come through and not worry about the disruption of having people all taking 15 minutes off for a shot over a couple days because if less people get sick that winter, it's a net benefit for the company.

It occurs to me that in the States, it's probably more likely you could get mobile COVID shot clinics to come in to your work place too.

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