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 Adam
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Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
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| Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 25 March 2022 14:09 |
FWIW I think he’s 2-2.25 overpaid on a good day.
Even if it was just 1M, that 1M may very well be the difference between a can kicker deal for yamo and JP while not having a sniff of a chance of retaining Kane on a 1-2 year deal. Nurse’s deal simply handcuffs the team before it comes into effect. There are other contributing factors to the handcuffing, but it’s what will be a 28 year old dman who has never had consistency in his game making superstar money.
Kass is overpaid for what he consistently brings just as much as Nurse will be next season for the consistency we’ve seen throughout his career so far. The only constant is his lack of hockey smarts in defending. I won’t argue about his offensive numbers. But Nurse isn’t at an age where anyone in their right mind can honesty expect that switch to flip and he becomes a legit top flight consistent dman in the league, it just won’t happen. And that is my biggest gripe with the cap hit.
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Here's what I think on this:
- some guys overthink things and take underperforming to certain metrics to mean no value at all. I think some of the criticism of Nurse borders on hyperbole.
- I think some of the defenders are guilty of over-valuing aspects with limited value or that are challenging to put a value on - such as "tough as nails". How do you define that, and is it just because he's been in a handful of fights? What's the actual value of that trait?
- Even strength point production is difficult and Nurse has been good at that even during the Tippett era, when the Oilers generally weren't a great 5v5 team.
- I think the criticisms of his defence, while not completely without merit, are overblown. He is playing against all the hardest opposition this year, both with Tippett and with Woodcroft as coach. He's +15 on the season, following a +27 last year. That's tops on the team for defencemen in both years.
- I think ideally, Nurse plays a little less, and gets a break from top opposition ALL the time. If the team still had Klefbom, I think that's maybe more manageable. Klefbom is still a big loss, and should be a real cautionary tale for the team. Careers are short and unpredictable so can't assume that our stars are here for years and years. Have to look to win now - that's a tangent though.
- I would really like to see the team de-program Nurse's shooting bias. I hate the long hopeful shot on an unscreened goalie. I think it's been coached by Tippett/Playfair the last couple years that you shoot from everywhere and Nurse has embraced this more than anyone, but it's a waste and just kills possessions. He doesn't have the shot to overpower goalies, so he needs to make better decision-making there. I do think that's coachable though.
There is no doubt that Nurse is over-priced, and that he negotiated his deal at the best possible time. He also negotiated against an Oilers management team that we've seen is not very good at positioning. They should be arguing on every deal that they need the player to take less than the maximum amount because it gives them the opportunity to build and keep a winner around that player. They could point to McDavid's deal and him not taking max money, and as much as it wasn't a discount at the time, I would even point to Draisaitl's now. Did Nurse really need to make more than him? It would be slightly harder negotiations potentially, but if you even save only 5% on every contract, that adds up and makes a big difference for cap management. Of course, you can't give a soon-to-be 40 year old a two year deal at relatively high dollars as you're trying to convince your top defenceman to take a discount.
Given his salary and what he brings, I would trade him for a significant other defencemen, most of whom would be much cheaper. If there was a drop off, you could use the salary difference to backfill. I don't think that's happening though. The team loves Nurse and he's seen as one of the pillars here. I don't think the hyperbole is helpful because it makes for nasty internet conversations about an important player and I think that's toxic. Not necessarily this discussion here, but some of the stuff on twitter. It's a bit much and it ignores what he does do right - of which there is plenty.
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