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 Kr55
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Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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| Adam wrote on Sat, 07 August 2021 14:14 |
| Goose wrote on Fri, 06 August 2021 23:23 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 06 August 2021 14:50 |
I do not understand why people bring up playing with McD as this kind of negative. Just because you get on the ice with McD, doesn't mean it's an automatic you score. What was Nuge's excuse? He played almost exclusively with McD this year and had a lousy year. Klef played a ton with McD when he was healthy and he didn't score as much. Sure playing with McD will help a player but they still have to be able to do it.
In my opinion, if Nurse hit the open market, he's at least getting what he got, I think more. He's huge, skates like the wind, big, tough, mean, physical. He can play a ton, play on all special teams, scores pts 5 on 5, good defensively. He rushes the puck, has a great shot. THe only area I see where he isn't really good at, is moving the puck but he does move the puck fairly well and it continues to get better every year. He's everything a team wants in a dman. He's a legit #1 dman and if he hit the market, 31 teams would be falling all over themselves to get him.
If they were to lose him, it would be devastating to the team on the ice and more so in the room. They couldn't replace him and what he does for less. You aren't trading for him so they had to sign him. In my opinion, any of Nurse's haters, their dislike has nothing to do with hockey and I will leave it at that.
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The answer is 4.
4 points away from McDavid in almost 500 minutes.
Gregor made the same point on Twitter today and in his article about how not everyone can score with McDavid and I don't buy it. Yes, RNH had a miserable year at 5x5, regardless of who he played with. In the 3 seasons prior to that he scored 2.31 points/60 when playing with McDavid. That would have put him 23rd amongst all forwards over that period with at least 1500 minutes played. That's an elite scoring rate.
https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason =20172018&thruseason=20192020&stype=2&sit=5v5&am p;am p;am p;stdoi=std&rate=y&v=t&playerid=8476454
Regardless of who else is out there, McDavid is the most important player when he's on the ice. So I don't buy the idea that we shouldn't put Nurse's 5x5 scoring in context with how much he plays with McDavid. Away from McDavid, Nurse scores at a rate of about 1 point every 4 or 5 games (and yes, part of that is that the rest of the Oilers forwards are a mess). It's okay production, given who else the Oilers have, I just don't think that kind of production is worth $9.25M/year. Nurse is also not a great defender, he never has been. Imo he runs around and chases the puck in the defensive zone and often is out of position. At that cap hit, I would expect the total package.
I agree with you that that's what the market is right now. I said in a previous post, other than Makar and maybe Heiskanen given their ages, I don't think that any of these defencemen (Jones, Werenski, Hamilton) are likely to live up to their contracts over the long term. I think they got crazy money.
And, I don't even disagree that the Oilers didn't have a lot of options. The return that the Blue Jackets got for Seth Jones wouldn't make the Oilers better today. But this contract certainly won't make managing their cap next year any easier with some key pieces they'll need to sign, unless anyone thinks that the 2nd year of Mike Smith's contract is going to work out.
Or it could just be that I'm racist. You decide.
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There's a few things that are a bit disappointing if you're critiquing Holland's work here. Not only did he give absolute top dollar once more, but he also gave a full no move for the bulk of the deal, with a 10-team list in the final two seasons. Also - because of the way it has been set up, it's got built in poison pills against buyout. The last four seasons have $6MM in bonuses in each year, so if you bought him out with two seasons to go, you're paying the full bonus and getting only minor cap relief.
Holland does appear to be a pretty piss poor negotiator, and I feel that every GM and agent in the league knows it and is happy to take advantage. The Oilers are heavy on upper management, but light on support staff who might actually help mitigate against issues like that, so there was no way we weren't ever paying through the teeth here. Would have been nice to score a couple minor victories...maybe he's saving them up for the Yamamoto negotiation.
One other thing I read yesterday - the Oilers now have more money tied up for 2022-23 than any team outside of Tampa Bay. We better hope some of these bets pay off for the Oilers, because there's going to be very little flexibility to change up this roster for years to come.
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Do have to consider the consequences of trying to set a hard line with Nurse. He's in a very unique positions with McDrai. If talks break to a point where he goes back to insist on a 4 year deal, that has huge implications for the futures of McDrai on this team. Not only because of how all their deals expire at the same time, but also just the fact that you have some negativity surrounding how the negotiation went.
I'm probably being too generous thinking Holland is ONLY willing to bend a little for certain guys on the team, because that is clearly not true. Just have a hard time seeing this play out many different ways even if we had a prudent negotiator at the helm. This ended up pretty close to how it would with many other GM's in the same position. And it's a huge huge deal to keep McDrai and Nurse happy here, in the present, and in 4 years if this team is still not winning. Our failures will be the result of how we play with the rest of the cap space outside of those guys. And there is plenty of cap space to still build a winner if used properly.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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