 RDOilerfan
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| Goose wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 11:32 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 07:22 |
Some Oilers fans will always complain about anything you can imagine. Pick any free agent you want, the most dream free agent a person can think of, give him a contract that has way lower money and term than anyone imagined was possible and there will be Oilers fans who will find a to pick him and the signing apart. They will find some spreadsheet or website that says in a particular situation he can't do this or that or find the one year he had an off year and project it as it's how he is now and will be forever. Just the way it is.
I don't mind Shore. I like his hustle and compete. Plays center or wing. Though he didn't play a ton of center, when he did he was almost 53% on faceoffs. Seemed decent on the PK. Making barely above league minimum. I don't see a problem with it but I know someone will tell me why he sucks and how this is the first nail in the coffin to the 21-22 season.
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I don't think that's true and I don't know that it's necessary to imply that anyone that disagrees with you and doesn't like that the Oilers signed a below replacement level player to a 2-year deal is a nerd that doesn't understand how hockey really works. I also hate when the media guys do it on twitter.
I don't need a spreadsheet to tell me that Shore gets badly outscored 5x5 (yes, I'm focusing on a particular situation but it happens to be the particular situation that the majority of the game is played at). He averaged just over a minute a game on the PK and then spent the other 10 minutes getting outscored 2:1. That's not all his fault, but other than his first year in Dallas, he's never had a season where he was on the ice for more goals for than against.
Yes, they can bury his salary if necessary so this likely won't sink the team. But as others have pointed out, it doesn't make the team better in any way and better options can be found on the waiver wire or off free agency every year. The Leafs have signed Spezza 2 years in a row for $700k.
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My question when I see someone complain about a player and use any stats referring to him being outscored 5 on 5 is how are they calculated and do they take into account factors that are out of his control?
He played in the bottom 6 mostly and got mostly defensive starts. Do his stats take that into account? When you only play 8-10 mins a night some of it being on the PK and you rarely get on the ice for an offensive chance, I would assume generating any kind of offense to offset goals against is pretty hard. Anytime the Oilers got the puck in the other end, McD or Leon were jumping over the boards pretty quickly.
Do his stats take into account his centers? When you get mostly defensive starts and your centers are either Haas, Khaira or the odd time Nuge who were all 45% faceoffs guys. When you lose the draw, guess what, the other team has it in your zone and generally are able to generate some kind of scoring chance which would decrease his numbers. That's the whole point of the NHL changing the rules to try to get more faceoffs in the offensive zone to generate MORE offense. So if Haas and Khaira where well over 50% faceoff guys I bet his numbers would be better because the Oilers have the puck more and get it out faster.
Do his numbers take into account other guys making mistakes when he is on the ice? So as an example. His line jumps over the boards for a shift, puck goes into the d zone, the guy he is replacing is last off, he jumps on the ice trying to get into the play, a goal is scored. He had nothing to do with the play, did nothing wrong but he would get docked because his line was on the ice for a goal. D zone, Oilers have the puck under control, one of the dmen or his linemates throws a muffin up the middle, gets picked off and a goal is scored. He was in proper position doing what he was supposed too but he would be docked because his line was on the ice. We saw that happen. Do they take into account bad goals given up? Puck comes into the zone, he does his job, forces the guy to a extremely low chance scoring spot, opposition throws the puck on goal, goalie lets in a goal that never should go in. We saw goals like that happen. He'd be docked for that. He does his job defensively, opposition has not play so they throw the puck towards the goal, puck goes off a skate, shin pad, arm, Oilers stick, goes in. He'd be docked for that.
So do all these stats that people look at and make decisions on who sucks and who doesn't take things that aren't his fault into account? He's not the missing piece to the Oilers being 2021 cup champs in my opinion but I don't see him as a waste of a spot. I see him as a serviceable NHLer bottom 6 forward who can fill a specific role while making barely above league minimum but based on some stats that people deem as critical, they see him as junk. So I just how those stats are calculated because a player can do everything perfectly on his shift but a goal gets scored because someone else on the ice screwed up. So is he the one screwing up or someone else?
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