 RDOilerfan
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| Adam wrote on Mon, 28 June 2021 11:31 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 28 June 2021 10:02 |
| CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 28 June 2021 09:32 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 28 June 2021 09:27 |
| Mike wrote on Fri, 25 June 2021 05:44 |
Seeing the Habs in the Final, sure glad we didn't go for it this year.
Top 2 scorers in the NHL, likely consecutive Hart winners, including one of the greatest individual seasons of all time by someone who will go down as one of the best to ever play the game.
Top scoring Dman in the league. First time since Coffee in 86 iirc.
Probably the closest to a Norris trophy since Coffee in the 80s. Pronger was 7th in voting, thinking Darnell should be close to that.
Smith's .923 was the best save % ever on the Oilers over a season. His 2.31 GAA was 2nd to Tommy Salo's 2.22 in 2001-2002 in Oilers history. He's also likely to get some Vezina love, might be top 5. His 21-6-2 record was ridiculous.
If not this year - WHEN THE HELL is the right time to go for it? We didn't need a stud goalie. We didn't need a #1C, a true #1 dman, or even a PP specialist. WE needed very obtainable pieces. And now is the time to sell some future for some now...
Can't wait to hear more of the tempered expectations spewing out from these clowns' mouths.
I'm happy for my family members to get to see their team in the finals I suppose, but I am livid this morning knowing that this could easily have been us.
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As the Habs have went along and found a way to get to the finals, I have wondered myself about what could have been for the Oilers. As I watch the Habs play, and I see a team that is:
- Goaltending: They are getting all world goaltending. Price used to be the #1 goalie in the world, he's been a shadow of himself for serval years. Even this season he has .901 in 25 games. They rely heavily on Price to stand on his head most games and he has. Price hasn't played at this level in 4 or 5 yrs.
- They have a big, punishing, kind of dirty defense that with the way the game is called in the playoffs, especially this playoff, they are allowed to do whatever they want.
- They play hard but they also play extremely defensive.
I do not think how the Habs play works in the regular season because more penalties get called and that extremely rough style they are allowed to play isn't tolerated in the regular season. It was proved as if the Flames didn't totally implode, the Habs don't make it in.
So it begs the question, if the Oilers went for it what would they have had to do to beat the Habs and how they are allowed to play?
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Same as always. Better depth players, better defensive defensemen, and better goaltending. Although goaltending was really good this year. These are the problems we've been talking about for a decade now. I'd also consider doing some regular season load management with McDavid and Drai, but don't tell anyone that.
I think the Habs didn't work in the regular season this year because of injuries. They looked really good for the first few weeks and again right at the end of the season.
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I totally agree. They need better depth players and more defense. I think Chia screwed that up with bad moves and bad contracts that left the Oilers hamstrung. I don't think you fix all that in a couple of offseasons especially when they have no money to spend. I am seeing some depth positions being addressed internally finally and I am hoping with some actual money to spend and the emergence of some young dmen, I am hopeful their issues can resolved. But what you said doesn't answer my questions. I keep seeing people say they should have gone for it because of the Habs magical run, so what should they have done? How do you address all of what they needed? Bringing in Hall doesn't solve all the problems.
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You're just accepting the Oilers messaging but it's bunk.
Holland chose and signed all the depth players. All of them. He had enough money to get third and fourth liners - he just chose poorly on which ones he invested in. There's no reason to let him off the hook on that. It's not like he was forced to give Kassian a big contract or re-up Chiasson and Russell. He had money, and he spent it on players who didn't pay off. It's either his fault or it is the coach's fault for not using the players properly. Lots to blame Chiarelli for, but the depth of the team? That's on Holland now.
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I am not accepting Oilers messaging Adam. I am looking at the make up of the Oilers team and where they have been going over the last couple of seasons and comparing it to Habs and I don't see how they could have beat them this season with how they are playing the game.
When Chia came on, he felt the Oilers needed a bigger, heavier team. They needed to grind it out, we needed dmen who could beat on you with skating and puck moving being secondary when the league was moving towards, speed, skill and puck moving on defense. When he left the Oilers were too slow, didn't have enough puck moving and didn't have enough skill. So Holland has been reversing that. I don't think there is a chance in hell Jones or Bear would have made the team if Chia was here. No way they would have signed Barrie because they are smaller, skilled, puck movers. I am not convinced Yamo would have played if Chia was here because he was too small. Chia would have sold off JP because he wasn't hard enough.
Other than Petry, who on the Habs defense would you like that plays? You would lose your mind if the Oilers had Weber, Edmundson and Chariot in their top 4 because all of them are Adam Larsson in style and type of dman. The big, bruising, nasty, not the best skater, not overly offensive, defensive dman. The opposite of how most other teams in the NHL and teams the Habs have beaten have for dmen. You have questioned the value of Larsson for a while now yet they have 3 on their team. No chance in hell you would have been happy if the Oilers rolled out 3 larssons on defense to start the year.
If the Oilers traded for in the offense then signed up Anderson for what he got, a big, physical, winger with some skill, so in my opinion a better skating Lucic, you would have lost your mind at how dumb that would have been.
If the Oilers signed Perry, a guy who can barely skate, you would have lost it. Same goes for Staal.
Now Anderson of all of them can skate a little bit but the rest are big, slow guys, bruising guys, all those guys are playing critical roles for the Habs in these playoffs and all of them go against how the league was going, something you yourself advocated the Oilers needed to go too instead of a goon squad. I have also seen yourself advocate that you do not need a big, bruising team, you just need a good PP. The PP means nothing in these playoffs because nothing gets called.
So I agree with you, the Oilers need better depth and the depth guys they picked, some weren't the right ones. I also agree with you, Kassian makes too much and Holland made a mistake for giving him that much for how he has played so far BUT unless this is a one off year which I PRAY it is, in my opinion to compete, the Oilers need MORE Kassian's both at forward and on defense. If the league is going back to old school, the team that is the toughest wins, then the Oilers are not tough enough. Not even close. I watched the Habs with their slow, bruising, nasty defense beat a far superiorly talented team with very good depth from top to bottom by beating the hell out of them. And guess what, the more skilled team LOST again.
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