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| RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 08:36 |
| Adam wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 17:13 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 16:26 |
| Adam wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 16:07 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 15:42 |
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 15:17 |
| Adam wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 14:54 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 14:47 |
| Adam wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 14:34 |
| Kr55 wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 13:46 |
Hey, did you guys know that Holland's son Brad Holland is one of our scouts now? :)
https://www.nhl.com/oilers/info/media-guide-19-20
page 28. Apparently he's the only guy allowed to wear a suit among our scouts.
Was looking for what our analytics team looked like. I guess it's just a guy, Justin Mahe (page 28 too, and page 4 kinda suggests it's a 1 man team)
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Good grief. Does every executive get a few free positions for family members and other nepotism? Is that part of the sales pitch when we're signing these guys up?
I'm pretty shocked Mike Chiarelli has managed to keep his job. I assumed most of these positions disappeared when the more famous relative gets canned.
EDIT: Also, that thing scared me. I saw Howson's photo in there and saw red. Then noticed afterwards that it's a 2019-2020 booklet, so it's before his departure to the AHL. I was worried he'd boomeranged again.
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WOW, do you guys need something to talk about. You are scoring a 2 yr old media guy for things to complain about?
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Some quick questions for you:
Do you think Brad Holland got his job because he is the best person for that critical role within the organization? Or because his dad is the GM?
What about Mike Chiarelli - best available person for the job?
Do you think in today's day and age, given the massive amount that most of the really good teams are spending on analytics, that a single person is an adequate amount of resources to devote to it for an NHL team?
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Until you 2 starting debating about him from a 2 yr old media, I didn't know he was in the organization or knew he even existed. I have no idea if he's good at his job or not. Maybe he's really good, maybe he doesn't nothing more than make photo copies of scouting reports and they gave him a fake title. I don't know anything about him.
Do you know anything about him Adam or are you basing your opinion on his name? I am not saying he's good or bad but I have worked with many a guy who's family member was a boss and just because they have the same last name, doesn't mean they are awful at their job.
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You only answered one of my questions, and even then, only partially. Here's another for you:
Do you think it could be at all an organizational issue if there were a lot of positions handed out to the progeny of executives?
How many of the people with the last name Lowe, Nicholson, Chiarelli, Messier, Gretzky, Holland, etc. do you think had to interview for their position and beat out others?
I think there's a little bit of a difference between some guys working for their dad's oilfield services company in Red Deer and a National Hockey League team. For one, Holland doesn't own the team, so its more like having a foreman decide to hire his son as a site supervisor than if the owner's kid is in the organization. Both can be problematic, but one guy is a relatively temporary employee.
I would say pro scouting is a pretty important function within a NHL team. The team isn't a big one - only three people. I'd say it's likely that the role IS pretty important at the end of the day and he isn't just making coffee for people - although either way, the nepotism is problematic. If you have someone who's got a position, gets a salary and you can't trust him to do his job so people have him doing menial tasks instead, that is almost as destructive to moral and corporate culture as having someone who has their job only due to their last name making a mess of things because they are incompetent for the job they've been hired in to.
It's worth noting, the Oilers have made some errors in their pro scouting over the last couple of years. Was it Holland, Messier, the other guy or some combination that was responsible for Kyle Turris? Did they talk to the analytics guy at all before they made that signing?
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I am just going to drop it. I don't know the guy, I have no clue if he is good or not. If you asked me who all works in the Oilers scouting department, I couldn't tell you. I regret even saying anything. I don't even know why I said anything because I really don't care.
You win Adam.
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I'm not really arguing with you here - just asking you your opinion on these questions. Do you think it's a problem if everyone in management hires their kids and friends to important positions within the organization?
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Completely depends on their qualifications. I am not in the pro hockey industry but in my industry, I have worked with people who were family with the boss. Lots of them were good at their job, some were not. I have no clue what his involvement in the players they bring in is. For all I know, he could have been the one guy that said Turris was a bust but they ignored him.
Maybe they give each pro scout 1 player who they are allowed to decide on all by himself. Maybe that guy was Turris or maybe his guy was Smith or Barrie who were pretty darn good signing for the money they made. Do you know how the organization makes decisions on who to go after? I don't.
So again, I didn't know the guy existed until today nor do I have a clue if he is good at his job. I know it bothers you what their last name is, it doesn't me because I do not discriminate against who a person is, all I care about is if they are good at your job or not. I have no idea if he is or not.
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Would you think it was an issue if everyone in upper management brought at least one relative, and some more than one relative to the organization? Or just a coincidence and the best people might really all be related to them?
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How many freaking times do I have to answer the same f-ing question? Like seriously, what's your deal?
This is the absolute last time I will address what I feel is a stupid topic. This might be the stupidest topic yet that I have made the mistake to address.
WHAT ARE HIS/HER QUALIFICATIONS!!!
If the person has zero qualifications and only have a job because of his/her last name, then of course it's ridiculous to hire them. But if they are good at their job, then I don't give a damn what their name is. I honestly do not care 1 damn bit what a persons name is in ANY industry, all I care about is are you good at your job or not. That's it. That in my mind is the only thing that matters. I don't care if they are man or woman, what race, religion, creed, where they went to school, what your previous job was, how old you are, who you are related too or what your freaking last name is. Are you qualified to do the job and can do it well or not? That's all that matters. In my opinion, if a person has a problem with someone who is completely qualified and good at their job and their only reason is solely because of their name or who they are related too, then in my opinion, that person who has a problem is a small minded, discriminatory person looking for anything they can find to go against that person.
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Culture starts at the top. Sounds like you work for a company that may be different, but what I believe Adam is saying may be relevant. By hiring people you know, although good, they are not necessarily going to be the best. There are 32 NHL teams and you should be hiring the absolute best available people for the job and when an organization looks more like a family tree, then alarm bells go off. Could they be the best candidates? Maybe, but improbable that Chiarelli, Messier, Gretzky, Holland, etc are the best people for the job, but the most likely to fall in line with the current standard. Like I was saying in a different post, I come from an industry that in cancerous and full of backdoor hires. The Culture is crap and thankfully I will retire soon. The change needs to come from the top in order to fix the problem. The Oilers mirror my workplace.
Oilers' culture has been horrible for far too long. A systematic change needs to happen and I think it has gotten better, but far from cancer-free. Adding an advanced analytics team, by poaching people from other teams and doing an exhaustive employee search will go far in challenging the OBC and the eye test.
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