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 PlusOne
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| Kr55 wrote on Fri, 12 March 2021 14:34 |
Definitely agree that Nuge's versatility gives him value. I think a lot of my view of the Nuge right now is affected by how our coach has zero interest in playing him in the spot he gave arguably the best performance of his entire career 5v5, by a decent margin. If Nuge is never again allowed to play wing with Drai, I think his value really drops a lot for us.
I do still believe his defensive game is overrated and still largely fueled by a reputation that has been created around him. Much by coaches that like how hard he is trying to be better defensively, but usually the losses just kept piling up in the mean time while most of the rest of the lineup bleed goals. Good for him being one of the better in terrible lineups though. His shot suppression stats while on the ice have never been that good. He has his fair share of brain farts in his own end. He can't push the river offensively without a driver on his line either. There is a lot of results that argue against his Datsyuk-lite reputation. I appreciate his effort to try to be more responsible defensively, but I've felt for a long time that is a big reason he's killed his offensive game, and for not that much in return in being able to actually shut down opposition.
My view currently of Nuge is that his greatest value is as a winger with linemates that are strong offensive zone possession players. Framing his role, on a team that actually has a shot to win a cup, as a winger I think begs the question of how he compares to other wingers and the value of the cap space he seems to be commanding.
I'm not saying trade him straight up for Ebs either :) I totally recognize the value difference. Ebs is 3 years older. Nuge plays C and I think most certainly has more value around the league. And heck, if we just played him with Drai, maybe Nuge would be near Eberle's 5v5 production this year too. In his 35 5v5 mins with Drai he has 3 points vs the whole 6 points he has with McDavid in 331 minutes. Shame on Tippett letting that Nuge+Drai ice time happen. Better avoid it or people might start asking questions again. But, if Nuge isn't allowed to play wing with Drai, then I still think just swapping him right now with Eberle could result in a better team today, ignoring all value considerations of a trade and worse case scenarios with injuries, etc...
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A couple of very interesting points here that made me think a little deeper about my opinion.
To the bolded point about his defensive game. This is possible. given I dont participate in Oilers media in any way; post game coach comments, bloggers, radio, etc I am not often swayed by those kinds of opinions. That said, it has been enough years now that there is a chance that some of that bled into my thoughts. I also have a soft spot for RNH as the last soldier standing from the first wave of the rebuild.
One thing I will say though is to this point you made "good for him being one of the better in terrible lineups though." I have made this point regarding mostly our defenceman but we often have guys playing one spot up in the lineup, at least, in the lineup and it exposes them. It isnt that they arent NHL players, just unfit for the role they have been cast in.
I dont think RNH is Datsyuk but my worry is that if you get rid of the best of the terrible two way players everyone else bumps up a spot in responsibility. This is bad news for a team that bleads grade A chances.
It also means you likely rostering lesser players because they are good at "skill A" like penalty killing that *new winger* isnt able to handle.
So when (god forbid) Drai or McDavid are hurt you now have pretty terrible C depth. When the penalty kill falters who fills that role.
This is happening right now with the Bouchard discussion. There are comments being made that Larsson, Russell, Jones, Bear or whoever need to stay in to play on the PK, even if they are inferior overall hockey players. The comments arent inherently wrong but if the only reason a player is holding a roster spot is need on the PK the team is worse for it.
Ill have to watch him a little closer in the next few games and see if I just have a clouded, preset opinion of RNH.
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| CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 30 January 2020 12:21 |
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