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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778588 is a reply to message #778586 ]	Fri, 05 March 2021 14:52

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K.McC#24 wrote on Fri, 05 March 2021 14:45

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 05 March 2021 12:56

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 05 March 2021 12:34

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 05 March 2021 12:25

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 05 March 2021 12:04

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 05 March 2021 11:41

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 05 March 2021 11:34

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DRY line is no more. Scored, but we still lost.

I am prepared to see fans and bloggers throwing themselves around about the DRY line not lasting. I am of the opinion that before the 3 losses to the Leafs, they had an effective top 6 that lead them to an 11-2 record and being the top scoring team in the league. You can take Nuge away from McD but you are leaving who I deem basically a rookie because the JP that is here today is a different player and he is just figuring out how to establish himself in the league. So in my opinion, you better be sure the DRY line can absolutely shoot the lights out to make up for the potential loss production for McD because you diluted his line to overly stack another.

What does Drai get now in comparison? A guy younger than Pulju, and Kahun who is still super new to the NHL.

I don't even feel that Nuge is that good of a fit with McDavid either. He hasn't produced much all year with McDavid. The analytics are good, but I don't think Nuge is that big of a driver of anything with McDavid. He's always slow to join rushes. Pulju is up with McDavid far more often.

Just some Nuge stats this year:

With McDavid 306 minutes 5v5: 3-3-6
With Drai 34 minutes: 2-1-3

I don't think McDavid really needs Nuge that much. Only arguement would be on the defensive side, but I don't think Nuge is that great defensively either.

IMO Nuge has to play with guys that maintain OZ possession and slow things down, giving him time to play a sneakier game, finding soft areas, being able to take passes off the boards and get shots off. The rush game is not really his thing. And the rush is a massive part of McDavid's game.

The lines were scoring before the Leafs. They went 11-2. People are acting like Leon is playing with a bunch of AHLers. His main partner is Yamo who might be a few months different in age but he is far more established than JP. He's got 16 goals, 37 pts in 52 games. I am really not counting his previous parts of 3 seasons because he didn't do anything. He has 9 pts in 24 games. He's doing well the last month but you are giving McD basically a rookie as his main side kick. Then you have Kahun who Leon has played all kinds of international games with, had lots of success with on the international stage and who he trains and practices with in the offseason. If Kahun had any luck, he'd have several more goals.

I am not against having Nuge with Leon and Yamo, all I am saying is in my opinion, if you are going to triple stack a line like that, they better grossly out produce to compensate diluting other lines.

They won largely because they shored up the defensive side and goalies started to play like NHL goalies as well. Both Drai and McDavid cooled off during our run of winning games compared to when they were blowing the doors off early in the year while we were losing. Lots of the turnaround had to do with the PP clicking too.

It's all a small sample size. There is a point where things will balance out and we need to find the combos that give the most consistency. And find the right combos for the players to fit their strenghts. Personally, I don't think we're doing that yet. McDavid's line still just depends on him going end to end and, if you want to get in on the action, the wingers better find a way to keep up. Drai's line hugely depends on him too of course. Yams has taken a bit of a step back this year. Kahun is OK, but not really that important of a piece on that line.

The only line we've seen in the last 2 years on this team where it actually looked like all 3 guys were consistently contributing to the lines success was the DRY line IMO. I think McDavid would do about the same without Nuge too.

I don't even remember who McDavid played with when DRY was put together last season. He scored just as many 5v5 points as Drai though since Jan 1st 2020. Neal, Archibald, Chiasson, Kassian, AA, Nygard, Ennis, and so on. Still put up points with all those guys.

The Oilers were 11-2 and the #1 scoring team in the league before the Leafs series. McD has 40 pts in 25 games. That's a 131 pt pace in 82 games. He had 22 of his 40 pts 5 on 5. Leon has 35 pts in 25 games. That is a 115 pt pace. 21 of his pts were 5 on 5. So almost identical to McD's.

So I am puzzled why people want to break up those lines that are putting up pretty fantastic numbers. How much more scoring do people want from these guys? Those 2 didn't piss a drop of offense in 3 games and they are still 1 & 2 in the league in scoring, McD still with a 5 pt lead. If 5 on 5 they aren't scoring at all, then I could see it. But that isn't the case for both lines.

So what's the goal here? Is it to maybe prop up Nuge's numbers more to make people feel better? Team wise, I see them breaking up 2 functioning, scoring lines that helped them go 11-2 and be #1 in the league in scoring and the only reason they lost those 2 games was their goaltending was poor. They scored 4 against Calgary and lost and scored 5 against the Jets and lost. If they got any kind of goaltending at all in those 2 games, they would have went 13-0. So if you are telling me they can improve offensively as a team and get better results with Nuge on Leon's line. I don't see how.

My thought without a dissertation is that Tippet saw that both lines had dried up and not scoring against Toronto. LD hasn't scored in quite a few games. Tippett went back to an old line combo from last year for one frigging game to get the 2nd line going, to get anything goong. I don't get the angst over this, I don't think the masses cam be certain about any line combos if they're coming up empty in big games.

As far as RNH stats, he banged the only goal in 3 against the Leafs, and was at 19 in 22 games prior to the Leafs series. He sits at 33rd in the league in points, Tip must have wanted those stats padded for sure.

Nuge is definitely rocking it on the PP. 12 points so far there.

Makes how he's having a career worst performance with 5v5 scoring more confusing. Well, 2nd worst. His worst was when he played with 1 working shoulder in 12/13.

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