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 K.McC#24
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Registered: March 2004
Location: ALBERTA
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| jds308 wrote on Wed, 12 May 2021 10:11 |
| Adam wrote on Tue, 11 May 2021 16:56 |
| jds308 wrote on Tue, 11 May 2021 17:34 |
| Adam wrote on Tue, 11 May 2021 16:16 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 11 May 2021 17:11 |
Like I said, I don't think signing Barrie is the right call unless he makes it so you have to by coming in so cheap. If he comes back and says just give me what I make now, they'd be crazy to ignore that.
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Depends on how long. If he says $4MM a year for eight years, would you do that? It would take him until he's almost 38...
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Barrie would be crazy to not go to UFA and cash in on what might be his last big NHL deal. However, what if the team goes a few rounds in the playoffs and heads into the summer with a real feeling of being just that close to a cup? Would Barrie consider doing another 1 or 2 year deal at similar money to get a cup? Would Holland consider it if it meant coming back next year with the same group on the crowded right side? Would you look to move Bear or Bouchard to address other needs? Lots of possibilities here, and it's nice to have too many good players rather than AHL level D rounding out the roster.
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If you're Barrie's agent, and the Oilers are offering a 1-2 year deal, you have to tell your client he'd be crazy to accept it. If he gets hurt, if he gets supplanted by Bouchard, if he just has a rough season, he could be leaving millions and millions on the table. Even if we gave him a big short contract - say $8MMx1 - if he could get even just $6.5x7 from Seattle or someone else, that's $37.5MM difference. You blow out a knee and you have that much less to retire on. It just isn't worth the risk. His entire career earnings to this point are just over $32MM. He can make WAY more than that on this contract likely so he has to follow the money. If it was a choice between $6.5MM for 7 years and $7MM for 8 years, maybe you can make that sacrifice, but to go short term? It would be an insane decision - no matter how much he likes it here.
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If you were to pin me down and force me to predict, I would most certainly agree that he would follow the money and earn the most he can before his best days are behind him.
There is something to be said, however, about "fit" and the opportunity to win a championship. Barrie fits well on this team, and there's a reasonable chance that the Oilers are going to bring home a cup in the next few years (FFS I hope). Also, we've seen this story play out time and time again. Player X has a good season ahead of UFA, team Y, looking to make a splash, over pays player X hoping they are the secret sauce to save their franchise! It rarely works out, and usually, the player and team end up unhappy, and often a painful buy-out follows. Barrie may value fit and potential for a cup over the risk of the other scenario. Plus, if he signed a 2-year deal, and the Oilers win a cup year after next, he would be right back in the UFA driver's seat again.
The other X factor here is the flat cap. It's not like other teams don't know that Barrie is far from a perfect player. They aren't going to just look at his points and hand him 6x8M or something like that. He might find that there are less big money, long-term offers out there this summer. I doubt the Oilers would have the best offer, but who knows, they might be able to offer something close, plus fit and opportunity (and 97). At the end of the day, I think he's playing in a different sweater next year.
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I'd be leery with Barrie on much more than Larsson/Klefbom money and any more than 4 or 5 years term. He'll probably command $6 or 7 mil with some term elsewhere. Because of his age, and because for once the Oilers have a guys or two system who might approach what Barrie does on their ELC or their 2nd contract. The covid hangover for the cap is the kicker, though, in my opinion. Stagnant cap is making things difficult, and I don't think the cap is going to pop right away when fans return to buildings. You've also got a Nurse contract expiring at the end of next year, and what happens with Klefbom?
Some younger guys who are UFA will possibly sign shorter term deals hoping for cap recovery, and I doubt we see as many young guys coming off their ELC sign long term deals, but guys like Barrie are looking to sign their last big deal with term. Larsson too. Nuge would probably fall into that category as well, but the caveat with Nuge and Larsson is continuity with the community and the franchise. Barrie has no roots or attachments here, I think he's gone.
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