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Adam wrote on Tue, 11 May 2021 21:44 |
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I wouldn't want to say I don't think Barrie has great offensive instincts, he most definitely does. Is his skillset so unique that we have to overpay, probably using all the cap space we were banking on to finally fill out our lineup, and deal with his declining years to hold onto it. I'm just not able to get there personally.
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For what it's worth, I don't think the extension happens. And maybe Bouchard and Bear work out just fine. Maybe they don't. It would be a shame if they don't and the Oilers once again are looking for that player. But it's not crazy to think one of them *could* replace Barrie.
The thing I kind of go back and forth on a bit though is with the cap space, if you are looking at 4-6 years on a deal, which player is most likely to be healthy and productive through the duration: Larsson, Nugent-Hopkins, or Barrie? To me, it's probably Barrie.
So on the one hand, you have a player that will cost the most, but also might give you the most. He also *might* have some replaceable skills in the depth chart.
On the other hand, you have some injury-prone players heading into their 30s that are high candidates for a decline, and while cheaper, won't come cheap. At their best, neither has replaceable players in the depth chart.
Oilers have some choices to make. Of the three, Barrie will be the most expensive, but may also give you the most through the contract. Oilers may lock in the other two due to current team structure, but to me, those might be even more concerning.
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My argument for Nuge over Barrie is based on what we have behind them on the depth chart. We have players who, while not an exact match for Barrie, can replace his minutes.
With Nuge, even with a down year for him this year, he's still head and shoulders above almost any forward in the organization not wearing 97 or 29. He logs big minutes at ES, PP, PK and can play with either of those guys or center his own line. If you lose him, getting a comparable player is likely to cost you a lot more, because you just don't have anyone in the organization ready to step in to those minutes. With Barrie, I feel that more minutes for Bear, and a role for Bouchard, and you're okay - without spending the same money, never mind more.
Larsson - I think he's over-valued by the organization and shouldn't be signed long-term but probably will be. He'll be a bad contract likely by the end of it, but ah well...there's certain mistakes you just can count on Oilers management to make. At least he's going to come much cheaper than either of the other two.
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I keep going back and forth with Barrie.
Could Bear fill Barrie’s 5v5 minutes and Bouch fill Bear’s 5v5 minutes? Sure. As productive? I don’t think so.
Could Bouch fill Barrie’s pp minutes? Sure. As productive? I don’t know. I would like to think so, but it’s unknown. He’d have the McD boost but I don’t think Tippett just hands that pp role to Bouchard.
But, it’s deeper than that. What does this do to Nurse’ game? He’s having a heck of a season... arguably due in part, 5v5 anyway, to his being paired with Barrie. Does Nurse’ game take a step back with the loss of Barrie 5v5? I think so. You can argue Nurse was good with Bear at 5v5 last season. But not the same level of production we’ve seen when he’s been with Barrie this season. And that Nurse-Bear pair was playing behind Klefbom-Larsson. I don’t have the numbers in front of me, too tired to look it up, but since Bear’s concussion early this season drawing the pair of Nurse-Barrie together 5v5, Nurse seems to have taken off.
Another thing... the Oilers window to really go for it, is now. Well, I mean next season it really starts from what we’ve been told. We realistically have a 3-4 season window where we SHOULD be seeing our Oily Boys in the top tier.
Listen, I want Bouchard to pan out just as much as anyone. I don’t think he has any more to ‘show’ at the lower levels. Can he equal Barrie’s numbers? I would like to think so but expectations are tempered over here.
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