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Re: Tyson Barrie Signs w/ Oilers [message #784885 is a reply to message #784855 ]	Tue, 11 May 2021 15:47

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Goose wrote on Tue, 11 May 2021 10:44

@OilersNerdAlert ran some numbers on McDavid and Barrie splits and it doesn't paint a very good picture for re-signing Barrie. There's no way the Oilers should be even considering re-signing Barrie for the numbers he's going to command:

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I kept them under my hat because it's too close to dinner!

At 5v5 McDavid w Barrie puts up 3.37 p/60. When Barrie steps off the ice, McD's scores at ... 3.95 p/60.

Meanwhile, McDavid's GA/60 rate falls from 3.03 GA/60 to 2.47 GA/60 when Barrie leaves.

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https://twitter.com/OilersNerdAlert/status/13919258906494976 03?s=20

The powerplay numbers are really the most surprising to me:

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Meanwhile on the PP, McDavid scores at 9.03 p/60 with Barrie and ... 10.44 p/60 without Barrie.

I mean, I knew it was bad, but come on.

If he's dragging the 1PP down, then what is he even bringing to the table?

https://twitter.com/OilersNerdAlert/status/13919262202547118 08?s=20

Barrie's numbers are also much worse without McDavid, which should be obvious, but the gaps are significant.

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He's +4.16 - 3.03 with McDavid.

He's +2.37 - 2.85 without McDavid.

Pointswise, he scores 1.91 p/60 with and 0.79 without.

The top 2 rows are GF/GA per 60.

https://twitter.com/OilersNerdAlert/status/13919397612757360 66?s=20

I think the analytics community generally is able to predict outcomes better than the rest. But sometimes I think they just rely way too much on a few niche numbers to try to paint a picture of a player.

In particular, I think there is a big blindspot when they evaluate high offense defenseman. I'm just not sure how anybody can confidently assert that Barrie is DRAGGING production down for the number 1 powerplay in the league. I'm not sure how anybody could confidently assert that Barrie is DRAGGING down the best individual scoring season since Lemieux. Get another analytics darling like Ethan Bear, replace Barrie, and is the prediction that these two phenomenon get even better? I just really really doubt it.

To me there is obviously something missing for the analytics community when evaluating players like Tyson Barrie, John Carlson etc. They get absolutely carved up. One day I hope somebody smarter than me figures it out, since significantly outproducing your peers year after year is seemingly not an argument to take into consideration.

[Updated on: Tue, 11 May 2021 15:57]

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