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mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 11 May 2021 15:01 |
RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 11 May 2021 14:03 |
Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 May 2021 12:58 |
RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 11 May 2021 12:56 | It is pretty typical of a segment of Oilers fan to feel the need to carve up a player. Things are going well, team is winning, they look to be a good team so it's hard to complain about the team so they go pick apart a player. He's close to scoring 50 pts in 56 games.
The Oilers PP is #1 in the league, almost 2 % better than any other team but apparently it's not good enough.
McD is on a 155 pt in 82 game pace, numbers we haven't seen since the 80's or early 90's but apparently Barrie is dragging down his points.
I don't see the Oilers resigning just because I think he will price himself out and they have a built in guy that should be able to take over his role mostly in Bouchard for cheap. But I don't get why Oilers fans can't just enjoy things and their players. I still see people carving up Nurse and he will probably get norris vottes.
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Not that bad to look at the summer and next year is it? The GM told us this season is a write off anyways :) Just not a top 5 team, even if we added at the deadline :(
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I guess so but I question the guys numbers a little because they can be manipulated.
Barrie is on pace for 70 pts in 82 games. That's not enough? what should he be scoring if he was "good?"
The PP is #1 in the league, almost 2% better than #2. They are 29.5% last year and that was record setting so to think it was going to do that again isn't realistic but at the same time the Oilers played 71 games last year. Maybe if they played the same games it would get up there. But being #1 in the league and by a lot isn't good enough?
McD is doing things we haven't seen a player do in decades. Barrie is helping with that. But the 155 pt pace in 82 games he's on isn't enough?
The guys numbers are implying that Barrie isn't very good. HOW?
There are stats guys out there who will say that Nurse isn't a very good dman. Am I supposed to believe that too?
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The problem with that set of tweets and data selection is the implication and conclusion: that if you were to take all of Tyson Barrie's minutes this season and divide it up between Adam Larsson and Ethan Bear, not only would McDavid's numbers be just as ridiculous as they are now, they'd actually be even better!
Adam "first pass" Larsson (9 points) and Ethan Bear (8 points) are apparently the key to unlocking more offense out of McDavid and pushing him to 117 points instead of 102 points. Never mind that both of those guys have been with McDavid for years, the data selected seem to implicate that if those two were playing with McDavid instead of Tyson Barrie, McDavid would have hit 100 points weeks ago.
I don't think anyone is going to question that McDavid helps Barrie more than Barrie helps McDavid. We all know the less time Barrie is playing in his own end, the better (and if there is an argument to make against him, that's the one, that his offensive benefit doesn't outweigh his defensively liability, though as those tweets point out, he's outscored opposition this year when on the ice). But it's just such a jump in my mind to conclude that Larsson and Bear playing with McDavid would cause him to be produce at a higher rate offensively this year than he has. It really feels like there is something more to be seen in the data, something missing, or else Larsson's agent should be pointing this exact scenario out in contract negotiations this summer.
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Does McD not help every single player on the Oilers and would help any player in the league? I would think so.
Like I said, these numbers guys can make any number do whatever they want. Barrie is not a perfect dman, he has his warts but the notion that you can put up any guy you want and they would be better off than with Barrie is such BS. That being said, as much as I like what Barrie has done here, I think the play is to not resign him. You need to create a spot for Bouchard and while I do not think Bouchard next season will put up the same numbers as Barrie because experience counts in the NHL, especially for dmen, I think he can replace most of what Barrie has done this season.
Now if Barrie comes to the Oilers, professes his love for Edmonton and says all he wants is the same deal or slightly less than what he got this season, well then you have to look at him because he's be making you sign him because it's so cheap. Then you find a way to get Bouchard in. If that happens, you send whatever development coach to wherever Bouchard lives in the offseason and have him spend the entire summer working on playing the left side.
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