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Re: Tyson Barrie Signs w/ Oilers [message #782960 is a reply to message #782955 ]	Fri, 16 April 2021 18:31

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jds308 wrote on Fri, 16 April 2021 17:48

I'm still on the fence about re-signing Barrie. I get the arguments about his defensive deficiencies, but for years we've been dying for someone like him that can put up points. Could Bouchard be that guy? Maybe, but it's unlikely that he will step in and put up 40+ pts, or is it?

The right side is an interesting predicament. You've got 4 guys: 2 are UFA, 1 is unproven, and 1 has shown some regression after a great rookie season.

The options are:
1) Trade Bear to address other positional need & re-sign Larsson & Barrie + insert Bouchard.
2) Let Larsson walk, re-sign Barrie + insert Bouchard
3) Let Barrie walk, re-sign Larsson + insert Bouchard

Cap wise, you're going to get Larsson for less than Barrie so that's a win. If Klef comes back, and can re-gain form (neither are certainties) then maybe the PP is ok, plus you've got Nurse and hopefully Bouchard to take that spot eventually. To me, this strategy makes the most sense, but I still don't love the idea of letting the PP specialist walk away.

Trading Bear makes some sense if you could get something legit coming back. Maybe part of a deal involving the Elvis goalie in CBL? ie. Bear + Koskinen for Elvis + ?... Maybe Bear for a real top 6 fwd?

If you let Larsson walk, I think that opens up a big defensive hole on the right side. Bear becomes your top defensive defenseman, and that's not a championship formula imo.

Not the worst conundrum the Oilers have ever been in, but I'm definitely intrigued to see how this plays out over the summer.

1) I don't think Bear has regressed. I think Oilers fans have a long habit of ignoring deficiencies and seeing only good in rookies - looking on any issues as simply growing pains and forgiving them entirely until season 2 or 3 when suddenly the bloom is off the rose and the deficiencies are all they see. He wasn't a perfect player before, he's not one now. He's still much better than people give him credit for. He's just a young defenceman and sometimes young defencemen make mistakes.

I think it's exacerbated with Bear (and to an extent Jones) because there's a segment of the fanbase that has some racism. That sucks to say, it shouldn't be a factor (and to be clear - I'm not saying that about you JDS or anyone in here - but I do think it's a reason why some people are squeakier about flaws in Bear's game than they might be with another defenceman.

2) Bouchard has put up good offensive numbers anywhere he's played. His stats in Edmonton are pretty solid too - 4 points in 12 games in relatively low usage and with virtually no powerplay time. That's a very small sample size, but it's still decent. Puts him on almost a 30 point pace over a full season and he was just getting his feet wet. Pretty decent rookie production. You give him PP time with that first unit? He'll get points. Anyone standing on the point with that group is going to have some level of success.

I'm fairly bullish on the player at this point - if the Oilers aren't they really need to trade him now because he's got all kinds of value now, and won't if he can't be an impact NHLer in Edmonton in the next year or so.

3) I'm less bullish on Larsson, but feel A) he's likely to be re-signed and B) he's not hard to replace at this point in his career. Larsson is clearly best if paired with a puck mover who can cover his deficiencies. We've seen serious issues when he's partnered again with Kris Russell. It is somewhat concerning that Tippett isn't paying much attention to the chances and shot share. Pulling out Bouchard after a game where he dominated the shot share was a bad sign, and throwing out Russell & Larsson together to watch them dominated repeatedly is a worse one.

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